Tory Leadership Election
Poll: Tory Leadership Election
Total Members Polled: 433
Discussion
don4l said:
I haven't a clue any more.
I really didn't see Gove's move coming, and I look forward to finding out what motivated him to put the knife in.
I think that Boris' big mistake was to leave it too late to declare his position on Europe. He performed brilliantly in the debates. The way he allowed his companions to deal with the personal attacks showed that he really has superb leadership qualities.
Unfortunately, he didn't convince the public that he was sincere.
It's what he does?I really didn't see Gove's move coming, and I look forward to finding out what motivated him to put the knife in.
I think that Boris' big mistake was to leave it too late to declare his position on Europe. He performed brilliantly in the debates. The way he allowed his companions to deal with the personal attacks showed that he really has superb leadership qualities.
Unfortunately, he didn't convince the public that he was sincere.
PositronicRay said:
Chris Grayling to run Theresa's campaign which won't do any harm.
MG as brexit minister? I don't think so, his vision and Theresa's vision of brexit are poles apart.
We don't really know much about her vision of Brexit? Personally I am now of the view that there is only one game in town, the "Flexit" plan of EFTA/EEA with whatever we can negotiate in terms of freedom of movement. Anything else would entail such a huge amount of work it won't get done by the time the two years is up. The question I have about May is, is she thinking along those lines and does she have the vision for what happens afterwards?MG as brexit minister? I don't think so, his vision and Theresa's vision of brexit are poles apart.
don4l said:
I haven't a clue any more.
I really didn't see Gove's move coming, and I look forward to finding out what motivated him to put the knife in.
I think that Boris' big mistake was to leave it too late to declare his position on Europe. He performed brilliantly in the debates. The way he allowed his companions to deal with the personal attacks showed that he really has superb leadership qualities.
Unfortunately, he didn't convince the public that he was sincere.
One of my mates was a contemporary of Boris's at Oxford. Verdict: "very clever, but UNBELIEVABLY disorganised". I really didn't see Gove's move coming, and I look forward to finding out what motivated him to put the knife in.
I think that Boris' big mistake was to leave it too late to declare his position on Europe. He performed brilliantly in the debates. The way he allowed his companions to deal with the personal attacks showed that he really has superb leadership qualities.
Unfortunately, he didn't convince the public that he was sincere.
My guess as to what motivated Gove: Boris couldn't decide whether to keep GO in no 11 for continuity or install Gove. Gove wanted an assurance (see Mrs Gove's emails). Boris was just too disorganised to make up his mind. Gove saw that and concluded "FFS. How is this man going to lead a country if he can't make his mind up about what job to give his closest ally". And decided to end it for Boris.
I'd also guess that Boris withdrew partly to keep his powder dry and partly to preserve the anti-May vote in a single corpus.
I am sceptical about Boris's "leadership" qualities. Mayor of London is basically PR and bus & cycle lanes.
klootzak said:
Vocal Minority said:
Is the right answer.
They've canvassed the party, found he didn't have the support to beat Gove or May and decided that not running is the better option to a very high profile defeat.
Not so sure about that. High profile defeat at the hands of people who then fThey've canvassed the party, found he didn't have the support to beat Gove or May and decided that not running is the better option to a very high profile defeat.
k up is actually a strong place to be. Boris's strongest hand is when he's playing against the status quo (even as a pseudo outsider).
Right now he has to return as someone who wasn't prepared to back their own convictions. That's a bad look with the British public who'd much rather support a plucky loser than a coward.
k
Greg66 said:
don4l said:
I haven't a clue any more.
I really didn't see Gove's move coming, and I look forward to finding out what motivated him to put the knife in.
I think that Boris' big mistake was to leave it too late to declare his position on Europe. He performed brilliantly in the debates. The way he allowed his companions to deal with the personal attacks showed that he really has superb leadership qualities.
Unfortunately, he didn't convince the public that he was sincere.
One of my mates was a contemporary of Boris's at Oxford. Verdict: "very clever, but UNBELIEVABLY disorganised". I really didn't see Gove's move coming, and I look forward to finding out what motivated him to put the knife in.
I think that Boris' big mistake was to leave it too late to declare his position on Europe. He performed brilliantly in the debates. The way he allowed his companions to deal with the personal attacks showed that he really has superb leadership qualities.
Unfortunately, he didn't convince the public that he was sincere.
My guess as to what motivated Gove: Boris couldn't decide whether to keep GO in no 11 for continuity or install Gove. Gove wanted an assurance (see Mrs Gove's emails). Boris was just too disorganised to make up his mind. Gove saw that and concluded "FFS. How is this man going to lead a country if he can't make his mind up about what job to give his closest ally". And decided to end it for Boris.
I'd also guess that Boris withdrew partly to keep his powder dry and partly to preserve the anti-May vote in a single corpus.
I am sceptical about Boris's "leadership" qualities. Mayor of London is basically PR and bus & cycle lanes.
Boris has his Admirers on here but not for me.
king arthur said:
PositronicRay said:
Chris Grayling to run Theresa's campaign which won't do any harm.
MG as brexit minister? I don't think so, his vision and Theresa's vision of brexit are poles apart.
We don't really know much about her vision of Brexit? Personally I am now of the view that there is only one game in town, the "Flexit" plan of EFTA/EEA with whatever we can negotiate in terms of freedom of movement. Anything else would entail such a huge amount of work it won't get done by the time the two years is up. The question I have about May is, is she thinking along those lines and does she have the vision for what happens afterwards?MG as brexit minister? I don't think so, his vision and Theresa's vision of brexit are poles apart.
Esseesse said:
klootzak said:
Spineless Boris chucks in the towel.
An ignominious end to his political career.
Amusing though.
k
Not yet necessarily. Losing the leadership contest could have been an end though.An ignominious end to his political career.
Amusing though.
k
May.
I have very ambivalent thoughts on her.
She's a remainer, so will she or won't she invoke Art50?
But as we know she is very right leaning, her remain stance may just have been a simple facade.
She has the gumption so say no, but it would be instant political suicide to do that, but also I think the career of the PM to invoke it will be a short one too, as I seriously doubt they will get the deal on immigration they want, and will be made to accept a modified Norway type deal inc free movement.
I have very ambivalent thoughts on her.
She's a remainer, so will she or won't she invoke Art50?
But as we know she is very right leaning, her remain stance may just have been a simple facade.
She has the gumption so say no, but it would be instant political suicide to do that, but also I think the career of the PM to invoke it will be a short one too, as I seriously doubt they will get the deal on immigration they want, and will be made to accept a modified Norway type deal inc free movement.
cirian75 said:
May.
She's a remainer, so will she or won't she invoke Art50?
She has committed to appointing a Brexit Cabinet Minister who will be a Eurosceptic.She's a remainer, so will she or won't she invoke Art50?
And suggested that invoking Art50 shouldn't happen until the end of the year at the earliest.
Actually sounds rather sensible to me.
cirian75 said:
May.
I have very ambivalent thoughts on her.
She's a remainer, so will she or won't she invoke Art50?
But as we know she is very right leaning, her remain stance may just have been a simple facade.
She has the gumption so say no, but it would be instant political suicide to do that, but also I think the career of the PM to invoke it will be a short one too, as I seriously doubt they will get the deal on immigration they want, and will be made to accept a modified Norway type deal inc free movement.
She has always been a Eurosceptic, she chose the remain side out of loyalty to Dave and the governmental position. Sensibly kept her head down whilst all the others were loosing theirs. I have very ambivalent thoughts on her.
She's a remainer, so will she or won't she invoke Art50?
But as we know she is very right leaning, her remain stance may just have been a simple facade.
She has the gumption so say no, but it would be instant political suicide to do that, but also I think the career of the PM to invoke it will be a short one too, as I seriously doubt they will get the deal on immigration they want, and will be made to accept a modified Norway type deal inc free movement.
cirian75 said:
She has the gumption so say no, but it would be instant political suicide to do that, but also I think the career of the PM to invoke it will be a short one too, as I seriously doubt they will get the deal on immigration they want, and will be made to accept a modified Norway type deal inc free movement.
If she were to obtain a deal to include freedom of movement of labour but not freedom to come here and claim benefits, would that be enough to placate a proportion of the electorate that voted to leave on the immigration issue? (Not the 8 million who are racists, obviously...)
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