so glad im not american or in the united states.

[unrepentant]

The Mad Monk said:

unrepentant said:

I live in the 12th most populous city in the USA and I never feel concerned or intimidated walking around the downtown at night. Brighton, not so much.

However the facts are that the murder rate per 100,000 population is 3.9 in the USA and 0.9 in the UK. So, no matter how safe you do or don't feel, you are more than four times more likely to be murdered in the USA than you are in the UK.

Just to give a little perspective though as people in the UK seem to imagine we're dodging bullets daily. I have personally never even seen a gun except on a cop, TSA guy or when a friend or colleague showed me theirs.

[Murcielago_Boy]

I started a thread a while back wanting to debate the question of whether America was still the great country that **I** once thought it was. Since then I've spent yet more time there (For work) and the place continues to disappoint me in a way which it never did before. I once considered moving there but it's not for me.
Still! At least with Trump/Hillary, the American electorate have found two intelligent, honest, and well-rounded individuals who really represent the interests of average Joe and have got to their stations in life through the grafting meritocratic manifestation of the American dream. Bravo USA.

GO LIBERAL MEDIA!
GO FOX NEWS!

The country must be so proud.

[unrepentant]

Murcielago_Boy said:

Still! At least with Trump/Hillary, the American electorate have found two intelligent, honest, and well-rounded individuals who really represent the interests of average Joe and have got to their stations in life through the grafting meritocratic manifestation of the American dream. Bravo USA.

Hillary Clinton. Daughter of a small businessman who was himself the son of Durham coal miner and a housewife who was the daughter of a Welsh miner from Merthyr Tydfil. Attended public school in Chicago where she was a national merit finalist and a class vice president before going to Wellesley College and Yale law School. While at Yale she volunteered for the Yale Child Study Center and took on pro-bono cases of child abuse at New Haven hospital. Later went to work for the Children's Defense Fund in Mass and later founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. Worked as an attorney in Arkansas. Also served as a director of Wal-Mart and Lafarge and was in involved in numerous charities. Served as first lady of Arkansas and then first lady of the USA (where she spearheaded an attempt to pass into law what would have been an early form of the ACA) before becoming a US senator and then secretary of state. So humble beginnings, hard work, smarts, a wide breadth of experience both nationally and internationally. She didn't have the silver spoon upbringing that Trump had and she had to work for what she achieved. Much of her work with underprivileged children she did before marrying Bill and certainly before they became national figures. She's not my choice but as Obama said she's probably the most qualified person ever to run for president.

[Sam All]

unrepentant said:

She's not my choice but as Obama said she's probably the most qualified person ever to run for president.

So let me get this right - she is more qualified than Obama, or Bill. And yet she is not your choice but you will vote for her because you hate Trump.

BTW, Obama is a desperate dork for saying what he did.

[unrepentant]

Sam All said:

unrepentant said:

She's not my choice but as Obama said she's probably the most qualified person ever to run for president.

So let me get this right - she is more qualified than Obama, or Bill. And yet she is not your choice but you will vote for her because you hate Trump.

Why don't you get a life instead of stalking me on the Internet. It's sad that you have so little in your life but I've told you I can't help. I don't swing your way but I'm sure there are places you can go to satisfy your urges, just not here ok? I'm really not interested in you ok? Sorry to be harsh but sometimes with the real saddoes it's the only way. Bye now.

[The Mad Monk]

unrepentant said:

The Mad Monk said:

unrepentant said:

I live in the 12th most populous city in the USA and I never feel concerned or intimidated walking around the downtown at night. Brighton, not so much.

However the facts are that the murder rate per 100,000 population is 3.9 in the USA and 0.9 in the UK. So, no matter how safe you do or don't feel, you are more than four times more likely to be murdered in the USA than you are in the UK.

Just to give a little perspective though as people in the UK seem to imagine we're dodging bullets daily. I have personally never even seen a gun except on a cop, TSA guy or when a friend or colleague showed me theirs.

The facts are the facts, of course. However, I am sure that much of the murder risk has a great deal to do with areas you frequent, company you keep and probably ethnic origin.

[Sam All]

unrepentant said:

Sam All said:

unrepentant said:

She's not my choice but as Obama said she's probably the most qualified person ever to run for president.

So let me get this right - she is more qualified than Obama, or Bill. And yet she is not your choice but you will vote for her because you hate Trump.

Why don't you get a life instead of stalking me on the Internet. It's sad that you have so little in your life but I've told you I can't help. I don't swing your way but I'm sure there are places you can go to satisfy your urges, just not here ok? I'm really not interested in you ok? Sorry to be harsh but sometimes with the real saddoes it's the only way. Bye now.

America does not belong to you, PHs does not belong to you. I have an interest in both, and you monopolise all threads on the US on PHs. Incessant passion for one candidate, and hatred for the other - there are other views. How about dealing with the issue I raised? I will ignore the insults.

[unrepentant]

Sam All said:

America does not belong to you, PHs does not belong to you. I have an interest in both, and you monopolise all threads on the US on PHs. Incessant passion for one candidate, and hatred for the other - there are other views. How about dealing with the issue I raised? I will ignore the insults.

Sad. Get a life mate, your obsession is a little creepy.

[Sam All]

unrepentant said:

Sam All said:

America does not belong to you, PHs does not belong to you. I have an interest in both, and you monopolise all threads on the US on PHs. Incessant passion for one candidate, and hatred for the other - there are other views. How about dealing with the issue I raised? I will ignore the insults.

Sad. Get a life mate, your obsession is a little creepy.

Obsession & Unrepentant go together well. Deal with the issues.

[unrepentant]

Just filled up my 550 HP Jaguar V8 with lots of nice premium gas for the equivalent of 44p per liter. A couple of months ago it was the equivalent of about 37p. The price here hasn't changed but the £ appears to have collapsed.......

If I were in the UK I'd have to drive a diesel I guess. I've had 7 cars since I moved here and 6 have had big throbbing V8's, nothing under 5.0 liters. Don't even think about the price of gas. Another reason to live in the land of the free.

[anonymous-user]

Why is it more free than lots of other first world democracies, out of interest?

[GavinPearson]

unrepentant said:

GavinPearson said:

Personally I am glad to be American and living in the USA........

For some reason I always thought you were an ex pat Brit Gavin.

I agree, being able to vote on spending and election of local officials is democratic. But it also has its drawbacks in that they may make political decisions for election purposes rather than ones that are in the long term interests of the electorate. I also wish they'd ban them from advertising but that goes for presidential candidates too.

I am a naturalized American citizen but I was born British.

[5ohmustang]

La Liga said:

Why is it more free than lots of other first world democracies, out of interest?

Democracy is great when your people win. When you lose, like the Remain people in Brexit, it's not so great.

Freedom is a state of mind. For me it is infinitely more than whatever I can sum up in words. It's a magical, spiritual feeling and I am not religious at all.

It is intangible, something that cannot be measured, an American spirit that is if you work hard enough, if you believe in yourself that you will have a shot at the title. As you strive for that title, there are people along there way that will help you suceed, motivate and encourage you. A collective spirit but not in a communist sense.

Go live in the Colorado Rockies for a year, you will find true freedom.


As for economics:

To drive a v8 on a regular income. Yes petrol is cheap here, but its not about the machine. It's the freedom to choose where it allows me to go. I am not constricted by oceans 100 miles on either side.

To ride an adventure bike 3000 miles across dirt and not be surrounded by people. I love riding there are so many trails, adventured to be had. No old man in a tweed jacket and elbow patches telling me to sling my hook off a green lane.

There's a reason most Americans don't have passports and are "ignorant" to the world at large. It's because they don't give a damn what happens outside these borders, because life is so good here.

The media loves to portray the horrors of America. The bbc news has their own America hate page called "the state of America." Articles filled with bullst and lies.

I'm sure if I lived in the projects (slums) i'd hate my life. However either my actions or parents actions put me there. It is down to me to break the mould and fix my life.

I have zero tolerance for illegals. Do I see why so many are climbing the border to come here. Absolutely.

Sure there are many issues here, but you have a chance to shape your own destiny if you are thirsty enough to believe in dreams.

I grew up in a middle class semi detached home in Lancashire. I watched my dad work himself literally to the grave providing the best he could for us. I grew up with the belief that it was normal to live in a semi detached house with neighbours 360 degrees around me. A small ass single garage where I had to squeeze out of my car to prevent dinging the door.

I wanted to live in the wilderness, snow covered mountain peaks, a lot of land, a big garage to tinker in, an abundance in wild animals, in a log cabin that smelled strongly of cedar. I loved the peak district and the Scottish highlands.

My log cabin would cost a fortune in the UK. I would never be able to afford that had I had the same job in the UK.

To ridicule me because I did not share their goals of living my life in a smokey pub, waiting for the weekend football match. Having a nice evo and then some key it down the side because I did well for myself.

We all have our own opinions of what a good life is. I am not saying my life is better than yours, I have my own issues as do you. What I am saying is, the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness is what America was founded on and we should all aspire to that. We get one life that's it.

The choice of living in various climates, mountains, surburbia, desert, forests, cities, artic, high plains etc

The ability to live in different states, if I do not like the laws etc I just move.

To not be ruled by a monarchy.

To not be cctv'd every where I go.

Unrepentent is right when he says, my opinion is not representative of the nation, it is my own personal belief.

[5ohmustang]

unrepentant said:

Just filled up my 550 HP Jaguar V8 with lots of nice premium gas for the equivalent of 44p per liter. A couple of months ago it was the equivalent of about 37p. The price here hasn't changed but the £ appears to have collapsed.......

If I were in the UK I'd have to drive a diesel I guess. I've had 7 cars since I moved here and 6 have had big throbbing V8's, nothing under 5.0 liters. Don't even think about the price of gas. Another reason to live in the land of the free.

I think this is the first post you have made that I agree on.

After the Trumpster wins the election, we can be friends, share some funnel cake and i'll show you what a real V8 can do

[scherzkeks]

unrepentant said:

Just filled up my 550 HP Jaguar V8 with lots of nice premium gas for the equivalent of 44p per liter. A couple of months ago it was the equivalent of about 37p. The price here hasn't changed but the £ appears to have collapsed.......

If I were in the UK I'd have to drive a diesel I guess. I've had 7 cars since I moved here and 6 have had big throbbing V8's, nothing under 5.0 liters. Don't even think about the price of gas. Another reason to live in the land of the free.

When I had my old S4 in Germany, it was cheaper to fuel in the aggregate than in the US, since in the US I had to drive everywhere.

[DMN]

5ohmustang said:

What liberalism means and how it is executed are two totally different issues.

Americans understand just fine. They see the depths that Europe has gone too. Standing on the edge of a total collapse

You beloing in the Walt thread. Take it, its yours.

[mikal83]

scherzkeks said:

unrepentant said:

Just filled up my 550 HP Jaguar V8 with lots of nice premium gas for the equivalent of 44p per liter. A couple of months ago it was the equivalent of about 37p. The price here hasn't changed but the £ appears to have collapsed.......

If I were in the UK I'd have to drive a diesel I guess. I've had 7 cars since I moved here and 6 have had big throbbing V8's, nothing under 5.0 liters. Don't even think about the price of gas. Another reason to live in the land of the free.

When I had my old S4 in Germany, it was cheaper to fuel in the aggregate than in the US, since in the US I had to drive everywhere.

My Chevy 7.4 litre V8 did 7 mpg. but then again it did have 7 ton of RV on its back!

[jamoor]

scherzkeks said:

When I had my old S4 in Germany, it was cheaper to fuel in the aggregate than in the US, since in the US I had to drive everywhere.

Indeed, also freedom to me means being able to travel for next to nothing and not rely on airline monopolies.Thanks ryanair!

[Mr Whippy]

Most liberals I meet aren't liberal at all. They're the ones telling others how to live because they know better, or their perspective is right.

I like the USA.

I can see the appeal of just living in the middle of nowhere in the USA and sustaining yourself and staying out of the way of all the dheads modern society has to offer.

[anonymous-user]

A mustang said:

"There's a reason most Americans don't have passports and are "ignorant" to the world at large. It's because they don't give a damn what happens outside these borders, because life is so good here"

Yet they're quite happy to watch their successive, consistently paranoid governments ramble over the planet, causing wars, poverty and generally being responsible for most of its ills, in the arrogant search for "the American way"?

You've just confirmed what I've always believed. Americans and America are shallow, narrow minded, self centred with few true values. You're probably well suited to life over there.