Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required
Discussion
Skyrat said:
I'll never pay for a TV licence again. I refuse to fund an organisation which doesn't comply with its own Charter. If it means I can no longer watch programmes on the iPlayer then so be it.
I can see that we have some deeply principled people on here who will stand by their principles and not give way.This is what made our country great and I am proud to live here.
I salute you all
jmorgan said:
Yeah, that will learn em.
Well actually I think there's probably a substantial amount of people that don't buy it. If there weren't it wouldn't constantly come up in the media and parliament . The house of lords prevented the government decriminalising lack of licence last year as it would cost them up to £200 million (bbc said lack of criminalisation would [be] "encouraging evasion"!!). In other words only the criminal aspect keeps many people purchasing it.By the way has anyone worked out the total cost of the people going through the court system? Including the cost of enforcement ie paying capita to send the letters, the heavies round, the court fees etc? Since many of those getting done are jobless and we know won't pay their fines, who foots the bill (court time as well as actual bills)? Presumably the taxpayer.
The whole thing is ridiculous and unsustainable.
crofty1984 said:
I've not had a TV licence for years. Not going to get one now, I'd rather put the money towards Netflix or pies. Shame, the new robot wars looked good, but not £145 worth.
We haven't had one since we moved house in 2013. We also tell Capita we don't have one.Edited by crofty1984 on Thursday 4th August 22:01
The reason we don't have one is because we simply aren't interested enough in normal TV to warrant one. We don't watch live stuff and am not interested in much of the BBC's content.
We sometimes have the odd subscription to Netflix and NowTV, but that's it. Most of the TV I watch is Youtube. I like to watch something specific, so watch the channels I'm interested in.
For some reason, some people seem to hate you simply because you don't have a licence. The comments along the lines of 'it's only X amount a year' are stupid. Why should I pay for something I have no interest in and don't use?
I think the only thing I regularly watch is the F1 on All4 on catchup (doesn't need a licence) and the Tour De France highlights on ITV4 on catchup (doesn't need a licence). TV isn't a priority for me as I have a young daughter and we spend our time doing other things.
In relation to the licence system though, I do find it odd that even if you don't consume the BBC content, but want to watch something else live, you have to be licenced. However, that is the law and it won't change.
Being labelled a tight arse etc. just because you don't have a licence though is simply odd.
funkyrobot said:
crofty1984 said:
I've not had a TV licence for years. Not going to get one now, I'd rather put the money towards Netflix or pies. Shame, the new robot wars looked good, but not £145 worth.
We haven't had one since we moved house in 2013. We also tell Capita we don't have one.Edited by crofty1984 on Thursday 4th August 22:01
The reason we don't have one is because we simply aren't interested enough in normal TV to warrant one. We don't watch live stuff and am not interested in much of the BBC's content.
We sometimes have the odd subscription to Netflix and NowTV, but that's it. Most of the TV I watch is Youtube. I like to watch something specific, so watch the channels I'm interested in.
For some reason, some people seem to hate you simply because you don't have a licence. The comments along the lines of 'it's only X amount a year' are stupid. Why should I pay for something I have no interest in and don't use?
I think the only thing I regularly watch is the F1 on All4 on catchup (doesn't need a licence) and the Tour De France highlights on ITV4 on catchup (doesn't need a licence). TV isn't a priority for me as I have a young daughter and we spend our time doing other things.
In relation to the licence system though, I do find it odd that even if you don't consume the BBC content, but want to watch something else live, you have to be licenced. However, that is the law and it won't change.
Being labelled a tight arse etc. just because you don't have a licence though is simply odd.
It's not unique to the UK either many many countries have a broadcast 'tax' and some are higher than the UK, at least we get a decent return for the tax, that's subjective of course but you can't deny the BBC has a large output.
Edited by chrispmartha on Friday 5th August 14:11
GCH said:
If they modified it so you had to put your TV licence number in before you could actually watch it online, I might be able to watch it (legally I might add - I pay for a UK licence) without having to go via a VPN regardless of where I am in the world. Ditto with my sky account. Would be a hell of a lot easier.
TBF the not being able to watch the Beeb via their sit whilst in you Latvian Hotel room is a rights issue, not one of the Beeb's making.chrispmartha said:
On the flip side I find it odd that people that don't watch live TV and don't pay the TV license moan about the license.
I can't speak for anyone else but in my case that's because I am threatened with prosecution every single month of life. Guilty until I prove otherwise.f
k the BBC. fk their collectors. fk their tax. funkyrobot said:
In relation to the licence system though, I do find it odd that even if you don't consume the BBC content, but want to watch something else live, you have to be licenced. However, that is the law and it won't change.
Over the last 20 or so years I have sat on all sides of this fence. I have even worked for the Beeb (robbing bds still owe me £350 but there's not enough money in the World to make me want to face their fking freelancer payment portal again ( and I would have paid them to do that gig, but don't let on))Currently I am of the opinion that you should have to pay to watch the BBC, but a la Sky sub, not be forced to have to pay regardless of if you ever watch a Beeb programme or not.
£12.12 is about right for the amount of time i spend watching their out put. It would have been a lot more before their pushed BBC3 to the net where, as a generation X person, I can't be arsed to look for my TV on anything other than a specific basis.
chrispmartha said:
On the flip side I find it odd that people that don't watch live TV and don't pay the TV license moan about the license.
It's not unique to the UK either many many countries have a broadcast 'tax' and some are higher than the UK, at least we get a decent return for the tax, that's subjective of course but you can't deny the BBC has a large output.
Its probably because you are made to feel like a criminal if you don't have one.It's not unique to the UK either many many countries have a broadcast 'tax' and some are higher than the UK, at least we get a decent return for the tax, that's subjective of course but you can't deny the BBC has a large output.
Edited by chrispmartha on Friday 5th August 14:11
When we first moved into our house, there was literally a pile of threatening letters from Capita. All along the lines of this house isn't licenced, we have started an investigation, you can expect a court date etc. This was before we had even bloody well moved in.
The system should be an optional subscription like sky etc. It shouldnt be a default pay up, it should be an optional thing if you want to use the service.
I would love to see how long the BBC would last based on an optional subscription model.
technodup said:
chrispmartha said:
On the flip side I find it odd that people that don't watch live TV and don't pay the TV license moan about the license.
I can't speak for anyone else but in my case that's because I am threatened with prosecution every single month of life. Guilty until I prove otherwise.f
k the BBC. fk their collectors. fk their tax. technodup said:
chrispmartha said:
So would you be happy if the BBC was scrapped but you then had to pay a broadcast tax like many other countries?
Of course not. If the BBC goes there's no need for the tax. I'm in favour of fewer and lower taxes in every sense.
chrispmartha said:
If the BBC goes I would bet they would replace it with a tax, like many other countries, so its a lose lose situation, all IMO.
I don't doubt they'd try, but there's no need for a tax if there's no BBC to uniquely fund. An actual tax would literally be a charge for watching TV.Except the fee already is that as you need one to watch ITV. They'll be getting nothing from me either way.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-...
Hmmm, bullst-o-meter needle just spun round so fast there was a tiny sonic boom...
Hmmm, bulls
t-o-meter needle just spun round so fast there was a tiny sonic boom...A question from a non techie.
BBC detector vans, OK yeah right I hear the cry.
They're claiming they now have the authority to use packet sniffer technology to check wifi activity, technology that hitherto generally has only 'legally been available' to police and security organisations. Of course the BBC have confirmed that they now have the authority to do this, which was mentioned in the strategy section of a National Audit Office report, which apparently involves looking for specific patterns but not cracking any encryption. BBC says it's been given the powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act to watch home WiFi networks. Civil rights mob up in arms, naturally.
Let's assume this is the case, how long before the next step and tapping into wired connections further upstream, which BBC say isn't in the plan.
For the record, no problem paying the licence fee, yes sometimes the corporation's blatant lack of objectivity on certain matters is irritating, especially considering the basis for objectivity in their charter, so they're biased, so am I frankly regarding certain issues.
BBC detector vans, OK yeah right I hear the cry.
They're claiming they now have the authority to use packet sniffer technology to check wifi activity, technology that hitherto generally has only 'legally been available' to police and security organisations. Of course the BBC have confirmed that they now have the authority to do this, which was mentioned in the strategy section of a National Audit Office report, which apparently involves looking for specific patterns but not cracking any encryption. BBC says it's been given the powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act to watch home WiFi networks. Civil rights mob up in arms, naturally.
Let's assume this is the case, how long before the next step and tapping into wired connections further upstream, which BBC say isn't in the plan.
For the record, no problem paying the licence fee, yes sometimes the corporation's blatant lack of objectivity on certain matters is irritating, especially considering the basis for objectivity in their charter, so they're biased, so am I frankly regarding certain issues.
The bottom end of that article makes reasonable sense, in that you could look at the flow of packets flowing over a connection without needing to read them (could you tell if they were UDP??), so you most likely could tell when video is being streamed over wifi, but I just don't see how you could tell where it is being streamed to / from - or whether it is a live broadcast or not.
Anyway, doesn't bother me because I will continue to not use iplayer.
Anyway, doesn't bother me because I will continue to not use iplayer.
.:ian:. said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-...
Hmmm, bullst-o-meter needle just spun round so fast there was a tiny sonic boom...
Won't affect anybody on PH. We're all 100% legit.Hmmm, bulls
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