Incident Croydon tram
Discussion
H6Nathan said:
MarshPhantom said:
Rich_W said:
MarshPhantom said:
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I hope the victims families and victims get all the compensation they clearly deserve.
Appears nearly all the victims are from New Addington.There was a facebook post about it on the BBC page yesterday, sounds as though it was a accident waiting to happen.
Gruesome bit next, sorry, but I cant help thinking about it, is it likely that the deaths are due to being falling through the windows and then a combination of being crushed and dragged. Horrible.It is just shocking, I know the road where it happened very well. Also spent a bit of time around Addington as it was just around the corner from Leefest.
In the trams there's a lot of hard things to impact against. Bars, Poles. As above there's a lot of glass (I would have assumed it was safety/reinforced glass but possibly not) Could also explain why it's taken a while to ID the dead.mondeoman said:
MarshPhantom said:
poo at Paul's said:
Heard some rather worrying anecdotal opinion from someone who lives in the local area as to why this may have happened, and suggestion it nearly happened before.
I'm not going to repeat it, as if this is the avenue of the investigation, then it absolutely blows the mind. Anyone else more local heard this rather disturbing rumour? Pub bulls
t or does it have genuine traction? this
Chap on the TV saying he'd complained to TFL about bad driving on that very tram. There was a similar incident a week before apparently.I'm not going to repeat it, as if this is the avenue of the investigation, then it absolutely blows the mind. Anyone else more local heard this rather disturbing rumour? Pub bulls
t or does it have genuine traction? this I hope the victims families and victims get all the compensation they clearly deserve.
Appears nearly all the victims are from New Addington.
Gruesome bit next, sorry, but I cant help thinking about it, is it likely that the deaths are due to being falling through the windows and then a combination of being crushed and dragged. Horrible.
Has anyone who was a passenger on the tram in question spoken yet? Surprised it was so packed at 6am though.
New Addington is the end of the line. If you work in London you'd get that tram to East Croydon in the morning. So not surprising a fair few of the casualties are from there.
Slighlty off topic. New Addington was where the girl Tia Sharp was murdered. The area suffers from a higher than average percentage of undesirables
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tia_Sharp
The worst injuries were caused by falling/being pushed by the weight of other passenger through broken widows and cut between the vehicle and the tracks. The analogy of a vegetable mandolin is the one that seems to fit best. Horrific stuff and explains the high number of deaths and serious injuries.
As for Addington being full of undesirables - the people on that tram were just ordinary early starting mostly manual workers on their way to their jobs. There would have been no scumbags on there at 6AM. These were good honest people.
Report available here. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/interim-report-...
FrankAbagnale said:
So it looks like the driver was travelling at the correct speed befoe the curve, started to brake 180m away from the curve which is where he should've started braking but didn't slow down enough for the curve?
Went from 50mph to 43.5mph, instead of 50mph to 12.5mph.
Not quite. There was some braking within the 180m zone but only enough to reduce from 50 to 43.5mph.Went from 50mph to 43.5mph, instead of 50mph to 12.5mph.
FrankAbagnale said:
Went from 50mph to 43.5mph, instead of 50mph to 12.5mph.
So assuming he utilised full braking (1.3mph / sec), he managed 5 seconds worth of braking instead of the 29s worth of braking required?It doesn't say in the report if that 5s of braking was done near the end - if so it would suggest he forgot to brake until it was too late.
fido said:
So assuming he utilised full braking (1.3mph / sec), he managed 5 seconds worth of braking instead of the 29s worth of braking required?
It doesn't say in the report if that 5s of braking was done near the end - if so it would suggest he forgot to brake until it was too late.
1.3 metres per second per seceond, which is 2.9 mph/secIt doesn't say in the report if that 5s of braking was done near the end - if so it would suggest he forgot to brake until it was too late.
Stedman said:
MarshPhantom said:
Can't help but feel the driver should spend a very long time in prison, and anybody who knew just how st the overall situation was prior to the crash should also be punished.
Why? t the overall situation was prior to the crash should also be punished.FrankAbagnale said:
So it looks like the driver was travelling at the correct speed befoe the curve, started to brake 180m away from the curve which is where he should've started braking but didn't slow down enough for the curve?
Went from 50mph to 43.5mph, instead of 50mph to 12.5mph.
Notwithstanding reports that these trams were previously driven too quickly around tight bends, given that trams are effectively in a 'channel' between two dense rows of trees between exiting the tunnel and reaching the bend, and that this was the first (I believe?) tram of the day, could it be that the driver did everything correctly but the braking was vastly impaired by leaves on the line?Went from 50mph to 43.5mph, instead of 50mph to 12.5mph.
MitchT said:
could it be that the driver did everything correctly but the braking was vastly impaired by leaves on the line?
Drives too fast up to the bend, brakes late and skids on leaves...? Not the kind of thing you should do with 60 members of public on board. I can't see this going any way other than a prison sentence for the driver.
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