British Empire in a 1000 years
Discussion
Bushmaster said:
No agenda, other than disagreeing that the BE will be well-thought of in 1000 years, and, as a separate issue, disagreeing that education is necessarily a good thing for some undeveloped societies.
Example, there are some tribes that have managed perfectly well (in their terms) in a stone-age existence deep in the rainforest. Would you argue that parachuting-in some educator with an armful of Western textbooks is always a good thing?
No I'm not... For the most part they couldn't read English.Example, there are some tribes that have managed perfectly well (in their terms) in a stone-age existence deep in the rainforest. Would you argue that parachuting-in some educator with an armful of Western textbooks is always a good thing?
BruceV8 said:
Bushmaster said:
350GT said:
As someone who has worked all over the world, I'd suggest that the folks who don't know about the BE are either stupid, or dead.
Well, we certainly taught some of them. For example in one battle during the Matabele War, 50 British soldiers employed by Cecil Rhodes taught some 50,000 Matabele tribesmen the advantages of the machine gun over the spear, allowing Belloc to coin the famous phrase:Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not
And iirc the British military command weren't exactly happy with the win either as it wasn't seen as a fair fight in the slightest. It was viewed with not a little distaste.
Getting back to the OP's original point, I think that the British Empire will be studied in 1000 years - if anyone is around to do the studying - but as part of a wider Anglo-Saxon British/American 'empire'. As well as language and culture, we share a lot with the Yankish including a belief in the individual, the 'Protestant' Work Ethic, self-reliance, a love of freedom and democracy and a hatred of fascism. In many ways the best parts of the British Empire took seed and flowered in the American 'empire'. We saved the world from the fascism of Napoleon, and then from the German Empire, and with our last gasp helped save it from the Nazis. The Americans then picked up the sword of freedom from our broken, dying hands and used it to save the world from Communism (and now 'Terrorism..). In 1000 years it is possible that the Asians will rule the world and so will look upon this 'Western' time as some sort of historical dark age that started shorly after the fall of the Ming Dynasty in the late 1600's and ended, well, soon...
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Bushmaster said:
A pictorial tour of some of the British Empire to warm the cockles.
Those pictures are what makes me proud to be British.Edited by Bushmaster on Tuesday 31st March 23:22
Just to add to your wonderful picture:
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.
Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
I'll see your 'Charge of the Light Brigade' and raise you 'Heart of Oak' - as played and sung by the crew of HMS Victory as she sailed slowly under fire towards the enemy lines at Trafalgar:
Come, cheer up, my lads, 'tis to glory we steer,
To add something more to this wonderful year;
To honour we call you, as freemen not slaves,
For who are as free as the sons of the waves?
Heart of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men,
we always are ready; Steady, boys, steady!
We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again.
We never see the French but we wish them to stay,
They always see us and they wish us away;
If they run, we will follow, we will drive them ashore,
And if they won't fight, we can do no more.
They swear they'll invade us, these terrible foes,
They frighten our women, our children and beaus,
But should their flat bottoms in darkness get o'er,
Still Britons they'll find to receive them on shore.
Britannia triumphant, her ships sweep the sea,
Her standard is Justice -- her watchword, 'be free.'
Then cheer up, my lads, with one heart let us sing,
Our soldiers, our sailors, our statesmen, and king.
Come, cheer up, my lads, 'tis to glory we steer,
To add something more to this wonderful year;
To honour we call you, as freemen not slaves,
For who are as free as the sons of the waves?
Heart of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men,
we always are ready; Steady, boys, steady!
We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again.
We never see the French but we wish them to stay,
They always see us and they wish us away;
If they run, we will follow, we will drive them ashore,
And if they won't fight, we can do no more.
They swear they'll invade us, these terrible foes,
They frighten our women, our children and beaus,
But should their flat bottoms in darkness get o'er,
Still Britons they'll find to receive them on shore.
Britannia triumphant, her ships sweep the sea,
Her standard is Justice -- her watchword, 'be free.'
Then cheer up, my lads, with one heart let us sing,
Our soldiers, our sailors, our statesmen, and king.
The British Bayoneteers- A Napoleonic war song.
Eyes right, my jolly field boys,
Who British bayonets bear,
To teach your foes to yield boys,
When British steel they dare!
Now fill the glass, for the toast of toasts
Shall be drunk with the cheer of cheers,
Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah, hurrah!
For the British bayoneteers.
Great guns have shot and shell, boys,
Dragoons have sabres bright.
The artillery fire's like hell, boys,
And the horse like devils fight.
But neither light nor heavy horse
Nor thundering cannoneers,
Can stem the tide of the foeman's pride,
Like the British bayoneteers!
The English arm is strong, boys,
The Irish arm is tough.
The Scotsman's blow the French well know,
Is struck by sterling stuff.
And when before the enemy
Their shining steel appears,
Goodbye! goodbye! how they run, how they run!
From the British bayoneteers!
Eyes right, my jolly field boys,
Who British bayonets bear,
To teach your foes to yield boys,
When British steel they dare!
Now fill the glass, for the toast of toasts
Shall be drunk with the cheer of cheers,
Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah, hurrah!
For the British bayoneteers.
Great guns have shot and shell, boys,
Dragoons have sabres bright.
The artillery fire's like hell, boys,
And the horse like devils fight.
But neither light nor heavy horse
Nor thundering cannoneers,
Can stem the tide of the foeman's pride,
Like the British bayoneteers!
The English arm is strong, boys,
The Irish arm is tough.
The Scotsman's blow the French well know,
Is struck by sterling stuff.
And when before the enemy
Their shining steel appears,
Goodbye! goodbye! how they run, how they run!
From the British bayoneteers!
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Interesting take on education the local populace.
Oxfam say...
Give a man a fish he will feed himself for a day.
Teach a man to fish he will feed himself for the rest of his life.
Actually I think....
Teach a man to fish and he will fish more than he needs and sell the surplus to his neighbours.
Gradually he will increase his fished amount and start transporting them to the nearest town.
Then he'll employ other people to fish for him on subsistance wages.
Then he'll buy a hummer.
Then he'll get into politics.
Meanwhile the river is overfished and a famine ensues.
Oxfam then have to send out food.
Which the original guy gets as he's now minister of agriculture.
He then sells it to his cronies.
Who give the guy stood in a river a fish so he can feed himself for a day.
Oxfam say...
Give a man a fish he will feed himself for a day.
Teach a man to fish he will feed himself for the rest of his life.
Actually I think....
Teach a man to fish and he will fish more than he needs and sell the surplus to his neighbours.
Gradually he will increase his fished amount and start transporting them to the nearest town.
Then he'll employ other people to fish for him on subsistance wages.
Then he'll buy a hummer.
Then he'll get into politics.
Meanwhile the river is overfished and a famine ensues.
Oxfam then have to send out food.
Which the original guy gets as he's now minister of agriculture.
He then sells it to his cronies.
Who give the guy stood in a river a fish so he can feed himself for a day.
cazzer said:
Interesting take on education the local populace.
Oxfam say...
Give a man a fish he will feed himself for a day.
Teach a man to fish he will feed himself for the rest of his life.
Actually I think....
Teach a man to fish and he will fish more than he needs and sell the surplus to his neighbours.
Gradually he will increase his fished amount and start transporting them to the nearest town.
Then he'll employ other people to fish for him on subsistance wages.
Then he'll buy a hummer.
Then he'll get into politics.
Meanwhile the river is overfished and a famine ensues.
Oxfam then have to send out food.
Which the original guy gets as he's now minister of agriculture.
He then sells it to his cronies.
Who give the guy stood in a river a fish so he can feed himself for a day.
god that's depressingOxfam say...
Give a man a fish he will feed himself for a day.
Teach a man to fish he will feed himself for the rest of his life.
Actually I think....
Teach a man to fish and he will fish more than he needs and sell the surplus to his neighbours.
Gradually he will increase his fished amount and start transporting them to the nearest town.
Then he'll employ other people to fish for him on subsistance wages.
Then he'll buy a hummer.
Then he'll get into politics.
Meanwhile the river is overfished and a famine ensues.
Oxfam then have to send out food.
Which the original guy gets as he's now minister of agriculture.
He then sells it to his cronies.
Who give the guy stood in a river a fish so he can feed himself for a day.
Martial Arts Man said:
I am of the mind however, that the British Empire will go down in ancient history as "The first truly global empire" and the "Empire that modernised the world".
The world was a tad smaller 2000 years ago, so I give you the Roman empire.I think the effect on modern society as we know it today - not sure about 1000 years from now
- has more Roman influences. The Brit empire: that last bit was pure comedy . . . Can't beat the Romans for sheer drama.
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