Jeremy Corbyn

[Gecko1978]

FredClogs said:

fblm said:

Gargamel said:

5. a natioanal MAXIMUM wage

Set somewhere just North of what MP's earn at a guess. It'll be wildly popular anyway. Until someone explains to the mouth breathers that there's no more premier league.

I thought that the good old days of Stanley Matthews taking the train to the match with the fans and everyone going around to Georgey Bests bar after the game (two different eras I know) were preferable.

Of course there would still be a premier league, it just wouldn't be full of preening prima donas, and my team might stand a chance of winning it rather than a small subset of chosen few backed by foreign oligarchs - works in rugby league.

The premier league is a perfect and very understandable example of just what's wrong with corrupt crony capitalism - and every football fan in the country who doesn't support one of the top 4 teams acknowledges it.

That's such an odd view to take (perhaps I should get my woosh parrot ready). Lets say the Max wage is 7 times the average so 25 x 7 = 175k. Its actually quite a lot of money to the average person with average skills etc.

Now take someone who has a skill set that only maybe 400 other people have in the country or even say in europe. A skill that millions will pay a premium to watch. Do you stay in the UK for 175k per year or go to spain and get 175k a week....its not hard is it. Then Said teams lose their rich owners and then teams struggle to keep stadiums packed etc. No UK teams get into Europe. Other European teams no longer wish to come to crumbling stadiums. Clubs cut jobs. The premier league is dissolved as no firm wishes to sponsor it.

Sounds like a great idea, and you won't mind the fact that said prima donnas still get their cash but from the age of 16 leave the UK and never come back.

It might seem distasteful that one person can earn a life times earnings in a week but in reality its only distasteful if they flaunt there wealth and don't give people what they paid for (Others can argue over weather there teams wage bill reflects there worth on a sunday afternoon).

Maximum wage is a stupid idea always was always will be

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Gecko1978 said:

That's such an odd view to take (perhaps I should get my woosh parrot ready). Lets say the Max wage is 7 times the average so 25 x 7 = 175k. Its actually quite a lot of money to the average person with average skills etc.

Now take someone who has a skill set that only maybe 400 other people have in the country or even say in europe. A skill that millions will pay a premium to watch. Do you stay in the UK for 175k per year or go to spain and get 175k a week....its not hard is it. Then Said teams lose their rich owners and then teams struggle to keep stadiums packed etc. No UK teams get into Europe. Other European teams no longer wish to come to crumbling stadiums. Clubs cut jobs. The premier league is dissolved as no firm wishes to sponsor it.

Sounds like a great idea, and you won't mind the fact that said prima donnas still get their cash but from the age of 16 leave the UK and never come back.

It might seem distasteful that one person can earn a life times earnings in a week but in reality its only distasteful if they flaunt there wealth and don't give people what they paid for (Others can argue over weather there teams wage bill reflects there worth on a sunday afternoon).

Maximum wage is a stupid idea always was always will be

You're pissing in the wind, speaking common sense to Matt.

[Ali G]

FredClogs said:

I thought that the good old days of Stanley Matthews taking the train to the match with the fans and everyone going around to Georgey Bests bar after the game (two different eras I know) were preferable.

Of course there would still be a premier league, it just wouldn't be full of preening prima donas, and my team might stand a chance of winning it rather than a small subset of chosen few backed by foreign oligarchs - works in rugby league.

The premier league is a perfect and very understandable example of just what's wrong with corrupt crony capitalism - and every football fan in the country who doesn't support one of the top 4 teams acknowledges it.

Here's a different form of crony capitalism which even Corbyn could not object to.

Barcelona Owned By Fans

Probably would 'though - players paid far, far too much.

[Gecko1978]

durbster said:

Gecko1978 said:

yeah not crazy at all...how much space does one allotment take up, how much does land cost in the southeast....hmmmm might be a tad expensive....or just totally fkin mental when we do not even have enough homes never mind vegtable patches ffs

Err... seriously? You can't imagine how a bit of allotment space might be made for new housing developments?

It's not exactly a complicated proposal.

a bit implies a limited number JC said every new house so 1 house 1 allotment. I asked how much space each takes up multiply by each house or flat and then you are using up a lot of land which frankly I suspect many would not want to use.

Think of it this way lots of people like to cycle to work but a whole lot more get the train / bus or drive. Hence Firms do not have to give every new starter a bike

[anonymous-user]

Gargamel said:

Gee, I wonder how companies will remain legal on that one...

This is what happens when you let kids who go to a good school and only scrape 2 E's become career politicians.

[sa_20v]

fblm said:

Set somewhere just North of what MP's earn at a guess. It'll be wildly popular anyway. Until someone explains to the mouth breathers that there's no more premier league.

No City workers either...see what happens when they all leave!

And now a rant - I like the idea of a Corbyn-esque political figure, I just want one whose policies aren't stuck somewhere between those of 20th century Russia and wonderland. Instead we have two major parties almost at polar-opposites who don't represent the majority and a so-called 'free media' who swing public mood just to line their own pockets. Both parties biased in different ways, playing to the needs of various groups rather than the electorate and always screwing the middle. To be honest I'm sick of voting for one bunch of s or another - not much democracy in that is there? Thoroughly depressing.

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anonymous said:

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I think confusopoly is the word being sought here - the various providers come up with tariffs that are deliberately over-complicated so nobody can really work out who you should buy from, hence the customers think it's too hard and don't try

Nationalisation is most definitely not the answer, though

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

fblm said:

Gargamel said:

5. a natioanal MAXIMUM wage

Set somewhere just North of what MP's earn at a guess. It'll be wildly popular anyway. Until someone explains to the mouth breathers that there's no more premier league.

I thought that the good old days of Stanley Matthews taking the train to the match with the fans and everyone going around to Georgey Bests bar after the game (two different eras I know) were preferable.

Of course there would still be a premier league, it just wouldn't be full of preening prima donas, and my team might stand a chance of winning it rather than a small subset of chosen few backed by foreign oligarchs - works in rugby league.

The premier league is a perfect and very understandable example of just what's wrong with corrupt crony capitalism - and every football fan in the country who doesn't support one of the top 4 teams acknowledges it.

It would at least create a migration of talent overseas which could not possibly be considered a "brain drain".

[FredClogs]

Gecko1978 said:

FredClogs said:

fblm said:

Gargamel said:

5. a natioanal MAXIMUM wage

Set somewhere just North of what MP's earn at a guess. It'll be wildly popular anyway. Until someone explains to the mouth breathers that there's no more premier league.

I thought that the good old days of Stanley Matthews taking the train to the match with the fans and everyone going around to Georgey Bests bar after the game (two different eras I know) were preferable.

Of course there would still be a premier league, it just wouldn't be full of preening prima donas, and my team might stand a chance of winning it rather than a small subset of chosen few backed by foreign oligarchs - works in rugby league.

The premier league is a perfect and very understandable example of just what's wrong with corrupt crony capitalism - and every football fan in the country who doesn't support one of the top 4 teams acknowledges it.

That's such an odd view to take (perhaps I should get my woosh parrot ready). Lets say the Max wage is 7 times the average so 25 x 7 = 175k. Its actually quite a lot of money to the average person with average skills etc.

Now take someone who has a skill set that only maybe 400 other people have in the country or even say in europe. A skill that millions will pay a premium to watch. Do you stay in the UK for 175k per year or go to spain and get 175k a week....its not hard is it. Then Said teams lose their rich owners and then teams struggle to keep stadiums packed etc. No UK teams get into Europe. Other European teams no longer wish to come to crumbling stadiums. Clubs cut jobs. The premier league is dissolved as no firm wishes to sponsor it.

Sounds like a great idea, and you won't mind the fact that said prima donnas still get their cash but from the age of 16 leave the UK and never come back.

It might seem distasteful that one person can earn a life times earnings in a week but in reality its only distasteful if they flaunt there wealth and don't give people what they paid for (Others can argue over weather there teams wage bill reflects there worth on a sunday afternoon).

Maximum wage is a stupid idea always was always will be

They have a wage cap in German football, their top teams seem to attract the elite and do well in European competition, there seems to be no determent to their international team, the ticket prices are uniformly capped and it doesn't seem to affect attendances, in fact quite the opposite.

I believe the NFL and NBA cap player salaries as well. As I said rugby league definitely do.

People feel much more involved and invested in things when they don't feel like their being fked in every orifice at every possible opportunity. Attendances at english football has been falling steadily since the premier league came about, the national team has suffered terribly - it's a miracle of hype marketing and the power of Murdoch that there is any professional football left in England at all.

This isn't a question of what I find tasteful, it's a question of what is sustainable and civilised.

[crankedup]

sidicks said:

crankedup said:

Yup, I go along with that. Money = Power. Try getting many of our PHer's to agree with that though!

Or, more accurately:

Unique skills = high demand = high wages.

Which seems perfectly reasonable...

Agreed entirely on the level of wage earnings, but I am referring to an altogether much higher level of Money = Power. Think Branson type money and power, not saying he hasn't earn't it, far from it. But the fact is Money = Power.

[anonymous-user]

sa_20v said:

No City workers either...see what happens when they all leave!

Corbyns supporters would consider that a good thing, it's not like they will be contributing more to make up the lost revenue and if they can drag a few people down to their level and crush any aspiration people have of doing well then the world will be a better and fairer place.

[London424]

Gecko1978 said:

durbster said:

Gecko1978 said:

yeah not crazy at all...how much space does one allotment take up, how much does land cost in the southeast....hmmmm might be a tad expensive....or just totally fkin mental when we do not even have enough homes never mind vegtable patches ffs

Err... seriously? You can't imagine how a bit of allotment space might be made for new housing developments?

It's not exactly a complicated proposal.

a bit implies a limited number JC said every new house so 1 house 1 allotment. I asked how much space each takes up multiply by each house or flat and then you are using up a lot of land which frankly I suspect many would not want to use.

Think of it this way lots of people like to cycle to work but a whole lot more get the train / bus or drive. Hence Firms do not have to give every new starter a bike

They don't even build enough parking space on these developments, let alone chucking in allotment space as well!

[otolith]

Gecko1978 said:

durbster said:

Gecko1978 said:

yeah not crazy at all...how much space does one allotment take up, how much does land cost in the southeast....hmmmm might be a tad expensive....or just totally fkin mental when we do not even have enough homes never mind vegtable patches ffs

Err... seriously? You can't imagine how a bit of allotment space might be made for new housing developments?

It's not exactly a complicated proposal.

a bit implies a limited number JC said every new house so 1 house 1 allotment. I asked how much space each takes up multiply by each house or flat and then you are using up a lot of land which frankly I suspect many would not want to use.

Think of it this way lots of people like to cycle to work but a whole lot more get the train / bus or drive. Hence Firms do not have to give every new starter a bike

Too many people want to live in very densely populated areas. It's mostly about the most populous parts of the South East, the demand on land means nobody has a decent garden, let alone a bloody allotment.

[sa_20v]

fblm said:

Corbyns supporters would consider that a good thing, it's not like they will be contributing more to make up the lost revenue and if they can drag a few people down to their level and crush any aspiration people have of doing well then the world will be a better and fairer place.

I suspect you're right, sadly.

[crankedup]

Gecko1978 said:

FredClogs said:

fblm said:

Gargamel said:

5. a natioanal MAXIMUM wage

Set somewhere just North of what MP's earn at a guess. It'll be wildly popular anyway. Until someone explains to the mouth breathers that there's no more premier league.

I thought that the good old days of Stanley Matthews taking the train to the match with the fans and everyone going around to Georgey Bests bar after the game (two different eras I know) were preferable.

Of course there would still be a premier league, it just wouldn't be full of preening prima donas, and my team might stand a chance of winning it rather than a small subset of chosen few backed by foreign oligarchs - works in rugby league.

The premier league is a perfect and very understandable example of just what's wrong with corrupt crony capitalism - and every football fan in the country who doesn't support one of the top 4 teams acknowledges it.

That's such an odd view to take (perhaps I should get my woosh parrot ready). Lets say the Max wage is 7 times the average so 25 x 7 = 175k. Its actually quite a lot of money to the average person with average skills etc.

Now take someone who has a skill set that only maybe 400 other people have in the country or even say in europe. A skill that millions will pay a premium to watch. Do you stay in the UK for 175k per year or go to spain and get 175k a week....its not hard is it. Then Said teams lose their rich owners and then teams struggle to keep stadiums packed etc. No UK teams get into Europe. Other European teams no longer wish to come to crumbling stadiums. Clubs cut jobs. The premier league is dissolved as no firm wishes to sponsor it.

Sounds like a great idea, and you won't mind the fact that said prima donnas still get their cash but from the age of 16 leave the UK and never come back.

It might seem distasteful that one person can earn a life times earnings in a week but in reality its only distasteful if they flaunt there wealth and don't give people what they paid for (Others can argue over weather there teams wage bill reflects there worth on a sunday afternoon).

Maximum wage is a stupid idea always was always will be

The biggest problems with the Premier league is, imo, the paucity of down flow of money to the lower division. Increase that flow and it then opens up higher quality football in those divisions. Currently the 'golden parachute' from the Premier to Championship needs to be extended. Also the super salaries being paid to Premiership players is having a bad effect upon our National team. Too many foreign players taking premiership positions brings little opportunity for excellent English players to face top competitive games. Sure the odd few come across but nowhere near enough.

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FredClogs said:

This isn't a question of what I find tasteful, it's a question of what is sustainable and civilised.

It's probably not sustainable. Over 90% of the money that currently comes into the game goes to players and agents. Sky are in a financial mess due to the amount the paid for the current deal and BT's business plan looks like a 1980s pyramid scheme where everything will be ok providing they sign up more and more subscribers. The next round of bidding for the Premier League rights will be very interesting.

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

They have a wage cap in German football, their top teams seem to attract the elite and do well in European competition, there seems to be no determent to their international team, the ticket prices are uniformly capped and it doesn't seem to affect attendances, in fact quite the opposite.

Are you sure? I can find articles about it being considered, but not about it being implemented.

[Cobnapint]

Stevanos said:

Seems he has now a growing list of u-turns now, that is not exactly what I want in a leader no matter what their policies are, I wonder how many more of his ideas will have to be scrapped?

Nearly all of them I suspect, along with the one he first came up with - being leader of the Labour Party.

Brown, Blair, Milliband, Harmon, Chukky and all the rest of them are just paying out the rope at the moment, waiting for the inevitable to happen in about 12 months time.

[RichB]

Wow, Jeremy Corbyn to Premier League football! As someone who has supported a mid-table, occasionally relegated, premier league club for over 50 years (and as a player and with a son who played non-league at a decent level) I have thoughts on league and non-league football but this isn't really the right tread. To be honest football could come or go and the country would not stop.

However I assume top heart surgeons or brain surgeons earn more than £175K? Most CEOs of British companies contributing to British economy earn more than £175k too. Would we really be a better country without those surgeons? I guess people would all go to Europe for their operations. Would we be a better country without successful British businesses? I don't think so. It's a daft idea and one which would simply reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator.

[FredClogs]

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

They have a wage cap in German football, their top teams seem to attract the elite and do well in European competition, there seems to be no determent to their international team, the ticket prices are uniformly capped and it doesn't seem to affect attendances, in fact quite the opposite.

Are you sure? I can find articles about it being considered, but not about it being implemented.

I think they do, they certainly have a more equitable system, better attendances and lower ticket prices. The NFL and NBA have salary caps but the cap exists for a team not for individuals (I think), and this is sort of the same as the FIFA regulations (Financial fairplay) that are being introduced which limit the % of a clubs turnover that can be paid in salary - but of course the benefits the larger richer clubs with the bigger turnovers...

The point being that a salary cap in any industry need not be an impediment to success and actually be a good thing for the market, the sector and the people working in it. If you want to get rid of nepotism, cronyism and failed capitalist models and create a really equitable market place that nurtures skill and talent then salary caps is a good way.