Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...
Wow simply lost for words he really is a cretin of the highest order ---- what do actual people of Scotland think when they read this sort of thing? Either they blankly believe the SNP line, or are plain retarded or like mob culture and our soverign right of free speech.
TBF to Nick Robinson the Putin line was just to generate publicity for his book, no need to call him a cretinWow simply lost for words he really is a cretin of the highest order ---- what do actual people of Scotland think when they read this sort of thing? Either they blankly believe the SNP line, or are plain retarded or like mob culture and our soverign right of free speech.
Welshbeef said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...
Wow simply lost for words he really is a cretin of the highest order ---- what do actual people of Scotland think when they read this sort of thing? Either they blankly believe the SNP line, or are plain retarded or like mob culture and our soverign right of free speech.
Another take on that here. http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...Wow simply lost for words he really is a cretin of the highest order ---- what do actual people of Scotland think when they read this sort of thing? Either they blankly believe the SNP line, or are plain retarded or like mob culture and our soverign right of free speech.
I don't often agree with Labout but this quote was spot on.
A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “Alex Salmond has been quick to criticise Nick Robinson now and in the past, but he has never once condemned the bullying and intimidation of BBC journalists during the referendum. It cannot be right that in modern-day Scotland, independent journalists have to walk through protests just to get to work.”
AstonZagato said:
Silencing the free press is all part of the Nationalist agenda.
Not very "progressive" but Nationalism rarely is.
I have said it before on this forum the tactics and abuse we have seen by SNP and Pro yes supporters during the indy run up were truly shocking.Not very "progressive" but Nationalism rarely is.
Imagine if Grant (I did have many other names too) Shapps was on the campaign trail and labour supporters swarmed around him and shouted him down and did not allow him to speak. People in England and the southeast would be astonished but yet in Scotland Jim Murphey goes on the trial and its ok to attack him. Same with Nick Robinson etc. The SNP are shameless but there chickens are coming home to roost.
Oil price down, Tax raising powers, Fiscal Autonomy, faling education an health care. You reap what you sow.
AstonZagato said:
Silencing the free press is all part of the Nationalist agenda.
Not very "progressive" but Nationalism rarely is.
The BBC is state funded so they're fair game Not very "progressive" but Nationalism rarely is.
I've got to laugh when right wing Tories rail against the SNP having the press on their side when all you hear about how lefty & pro-labour the BBC are (despite being the official voice of the establishment)
One paper came out Pro-Indy during the ref (Sunday Herald), a few stayed neutral, the vast majority supported Better Together
Gecko1978 said:
I have said it before on this forum the tactics and abuse we have seen by SNP and Pro yes supporters during the indy run up were truly shocking.
Agreed! As someone who was sworn at in a busy high street by an official campaigner who I had never met before, just because I politely refused to confirm whether or not I was voting yes in the referendum the following day, I can't emphasis enough how the referundum campaign appeared to legitimise all the knuckledragging, antisocial and offensive behaviour of those suddenly 'engaged in politics'.They weren't of course engaged in politics - they were engaged in a single issue which the SNP had used as the catch-all for their dreams. 'Norrie the Nationalist' indeed.
You will hear from Nationalists that there was bad behaviour on both sides, yet it is strange that in the vast number of elections in the past such tactics were never mobilised by the campaigners.
Strocky said:
I've got to laugh when right wing Tories rail against the SNP...
It is going to be hilarious to watch the SNP attempt to continue to invoke the 'Tory' and 'Red Tory' bogeymen. Corbynism in the rest of the UK, privatisation of public services in Scotland, and the necessary reforms to council tax are going to make the SNP look very 'tory' in the not-to-distant future.Strocky said:
And as for the "metropolitan" crap, as if young Scots don't see themselves in that light or aspire to it ffs
If you listened to some folk in here you'd think all the young Scots aspire to is a dole cheque and a bottle of buckie. Some pretty outrageous generalizations have been bandied about.BRB, going for tea and crumpets, what what.
r11co said:
Strocky said:
I've got to laugh when right wing Tories rail against the SNP...
It is going to be hilarious to watch the SNP attempt to continue to invoke the 'Tory' and 'Red Tory' bogeymen. Corbynism in the rest of the UK, privatisation of public services in Scotland, and the necessary reforms to council tax are going to make the SNP look very 'tory' in the not-to-distant future.I hope Corbyn does win and gives the English voters a different option, however I fear that the right wing press will ensure that he's turned into a bogeyman ala Salmond or Sturgeon
The SNP are a means to an end for me, nothing more nothing less
Borghetto said:
Of course Mr Strocky might find the end he desires turns out not to be quite as he hopes for.
Not to mention the damage that can be and is being incurred by a government run incompetently by definition, because those voted in charge neglect day-to-day governance and defer important but potentially unpopular (with their core vote) decisions in the pursuit of 'the end'. Their unshaking belief means that they will take 'wrong decisions for the right reasons' (to paraphrase Kenny MacKasill).The stakes are too high for that kind of game to be played, but the knuckledraggers have a fairytale meme to wish that reality away - they call it 'Hope over Fear'. I call it blind faith.
Edited by r11co on Monday 24th August 11:42
r11co said:
Not to mention the damage that can be and is being incurred by a government run incompetently by definition, because those voted in charge neglect day-to-day governance and defer important but potentially unpopular (with their core vote) decisions in the pursuit of 'the end'. Their unshaking belief means that they will take 'wrong decisions for the right reasons' (to paraphrase Kenny MacKasill).
The stakes are too high for that kind of game to be played, but the knuckledraggers have a fairytale meme to wish that reality away - they call it 'Hope over Fear'. I call it blind faith.
The SNP's record compares more than favourably with the incumbent Labour led Holyrood Parliament, in fact some of the chickens that have came home to roost where incubated under Jack McConnell's watchThe stakes are too high for that kind of game to be played, but the knuckledraggers have a fairytale meme to wish that reality away - they call it 'Hope over Fear'. I call it blind faith.
Edited by r11co on Monday 24th August 11:42
As long as Westminster controls the purse strings, compromises will have to be made
The SNP isn't perfect, they make mistakes and they're not as left wing as they pretend, but when the alternative is Labour, the Lib Dem or the Conservatives running the SP, then it's a no brainer why the SNP are polling so high
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