Unemployed ? Got 11 kids ? Fancy a new house ?
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selwonk said:
Slyjoe said:
After my initial anger had died down, this was my thought too. I have 4 kids and thats just bloody hard work.
You are presuming they but as much effort into parenting as you do. I suspect they don't.Followed by being jumped on for a cuddle by the smallest child at 7.00am this morning.
Deva Link said:
I'm not sure that looking after 11 kids counts as "doing nothing". I can't imagine anything more horrendous.
And 209 billion spent on benefits is mainly pensions and other benefits to old people. Out of work etc benefits are a pretty small part.
considering one if her kids was a mother herself at 14 I can't imagine an awful lot if parenting goes on And 209 billion spent on benefits is mainly pensions and other benefits to old people. Out of work etc benefits are a pretty small part.
z4chris99 said:
considering one if her kids was a mother herself at 14 I can't imagine an awful lot if parenting goes on
No - she had her first kid at 14. That daughter is now 22 and has a 2yr old. There's another grandchild too, that her son fathered, but I haven't seen that child's age.Me and the ex-wife have just been having a 'financial' discussion and I couldn't help thinking about this case. I presume it's the DM winding everybody up again for I just cannot see how anyone can do well enough on benefits to not only exist but have a horse and afford flying lessons.
My ex runs an company which itself is doing well, despite the recession, and I still manage to get work as a sole trader. Between us we probably manage about 90k a year but obviously have to run 2 households and we both look after our 3 kids.
No way could we afford a horse and I cannot justify the cost of flying lessons. I did take on the un-expected expense of 2 kittens not long ago and got rid of Sky so I could justify the pet insurance costs.
If the story is true, I'm unsure why we are both knocking ourselves out commuting and working everyday apart from the benefit of self esteem.
My ex runs an company which itself is doing well, despite the recession, and I still manage to get work as a sole trader. Between us we probably manage about 90k a year but obviously have to run 2 households and we both look after our 3 kids.
No way could we afford a horse and I cannot justify the cost of flying lessons. I did take on the un-expected expense of 2 kittens not long ago and got rid of Sky so I could justify the pet insurance costs.
If the story is true, I'm unsure why we are both knocking ourselves out commuting and working everyday apart from the benefit of self esteem.
It is baffling, as the published rates for benefits indicate that they aren't what you would call bunce. To give an idea of the thresholds and figures involved, my wife is currently not working, but she would not be able to claim benefits (not that she wants to), because I earn more than £110 a week.
The rates paid to a single person are very low. This woman clearly gets more than the basic, as she has all those children, but even so it is hard to see where the disposable income comes from. Most claimants' idea of disposable income is money to spend on the cheapest fags, the cheapest booze, and maybe a lottery ticket, after feeding the kids on rubbishy fast food or low cost supermarket chow. I used to get off on a bus on the Caledonian Road on the way home in the evenings, and would very often see a glum fat boy from the very grotty estate across the road, aged maybe 12 or so, picking up the family dinner at one of those generic fried chicken shops. It looked like the family were eating that stuff as their evening meal several times a week. No wonder he was fat and unhappy.
My point is that, usually, life on benefits is pretty scabby. The woman in this case appears to be living surprisingly well. I do wonder if there is a DM factor here, or some other info that we do not have.
The rates paid to a single person are very low. This woman clearly gets more than the basic, as she has all those children, but even so it is hard to see where the disposable income comes from. Most claimants' idea of disposable income is money to spend on the cheapest fags, the cheapest booze, and maybe a lottery ticket, after feeding the kids on rubbishy fast food or low cost supermarket chow. I used to get off on a bus on the Caledonian Road on the way home in the evenings, and would very often see a glum fat boy from the very grotty estate across the road, aged maybe 12 or so, picking up the family dinner at one of those generic fried chicken shops. It looked like the family were eating that stuff as their evening meal several times a week. No wonder he was fat and unhappy.
My point is that, usually, life on benefits is pretty scabby. The woman in this case appears to be living surprisingly well. I do wonder if there is a DM factor here, or some other info that we do not have.
Maybe there is a critical mass point at some level, above which the claimant starts to do OK. If the claimant is dim or honourable enough to have no children or few children, they get pretty much sod all and have to scrape by. If they really go for it, it ends up as an OK deal, comparable with or better than working in a modestly paid job.
I haven't looked at the detail of the system for ages, as it is very dull to do so.
I haven't looked at the detail of the system for ages, as it is very dull to do so.
I have worked since I was 17 and am now 50. Aged 46 I had a heart attack and my accountant suggested that I claim disability allowance. It was about £70/week but better than nothing.
The amount of form filling and info that I constantly had to submit over a period of 2 months in order to gain that money was mind numbing. I'm a clever bloke and I could not see how some of our lesser brained lot would be able to deal with all that paperwork.
I couldn't wait 2 months so I returned to work within 3 weeks, I had no choice.
2 months later I was given a P45 to be given to my next employer
and was told that as I had missed some class 4 NI contributions I was not allowed to claim the £210 that I thought I was entitled to.
My question again: How do people get and then survive on benefits, oh! and afford flying lessons.
The amount of form filling and info that I constantly had to submit over a period of 2 months in order to gain that money was mind numbing. I'm a clever bloke and I could not see how some of our lesser brained lot would be able to deal with all that paperwork.
I couldn't wait 2 months so I returned to work within 3 weeks, I had no choice.
2 months later I was given a P45 to be given to my next employer
and was told that as I had missed some class 4 NI contributions I was not allowed to claim the £210 that I thought I was entitled to.My question again: How do people get and then survive on benefits, oh! and afford flying lessons.
croyde said:
I have worked since I was 17 and am now 50. Aged 46 I had a heart attack and my accountant suggested that I claim disability allowance. It was about £70/week but better than nothing.
The amount of form filling and info that I constantly had to submit over a period of 2 months in order to gain that money was mind numbing. I'm a clever bloke and I could not see how some of our lesser brained lot would be able to deal with all that paperwork.
I couldn't wait 2 months so I returned to work within 3 weeks, I had no choice.
2 months later I was given a P45 to be given to my next employer and was told that as I had missed some class 4 NI contributions I was not allowed to claim the £210 that I thought I was entitled to.
My question again: How do people get and then survive on benefits, oh! and afford flying lessons.
nobody cries for a single man out on the street and given enough barriers most dust themselves down and do something to get by, you did! Mums with kids have less options and in the majority of cases like being widowed or otherwise left on their own deserve help if nothing else but for the children's sake (homeless families IS big and bad news). The amount of form filling and info that I constantly had to submit over a period of 2 months in order to gain that money was mind numbing. I'm a clever bloke and I could not see how some of our lesser brained lot would be able to deal with all that paperwork.
I couldn't wait 2 months so I returned to work within 3 weeks, I had no choice.
2 months later I was given a P45 to be given to my next employer
and was told that as I had missed some class 4 NI contributions I was not allowed to claim the £210 that I thought I was entitled to.My question again: How do people get and then survive on benefits, oh! and afford flying lessons.
So these people get fast tracked, time is of the essence kids need food etc so the form filling gets sorted.
I have no beef with this and benefits as a safety net for the needy is something to be applauded however the entitlement attitude or the 'working of the system' especially to the levels the mum of 11 has is what grates for me.
anonymous said:
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The older kids will be getting JSA in their own right, so if they're chucking that in into the kitty it'll make a difference (although leaving them with even less money of their own).The other thing I always assume in multiple fathers cases is that these people are being bunged money etc by absent fathers. "A friend" gave her the minibus, for example.
croyde said:
The amount of form filling and info that I constantly had to submit over a period of 2 months in order to gain that money was mind numbing. I'm a clever bloke and I could not see how some of our lesser brained lot would be able to deal with all that paperwork.
Councils have welfare rights officers to help with the forms. Social Serviced sent one (gorgeous young lady) to do the higher rate Attendance Allowance form for an elderly lady we were helping to look after. She knew all the answers and it was approved in a couple of weeks and the payments backdated to the submission date.The latest chapter - Dad calls her a lazy cow with too many kids:-
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Heather-laz...
Oh, have we had the local news reports that she recently spent £1000 on a parrot?
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Heather-laz...
Oh, have we had the local news reports that she recently spent £1000 on a parrot?
croyde said:
My question again: How do people get and then survive on benefits, oh! and afford flying lessons.
Because this country and the system is so f
ked up.My mum was 1 of 8 kids, and they survived, mind you in those days we didn't need a 52 inch flat screen, iPods for the kids and flying lessons for the old man (who was out grafting), and my gran didn't keep horses either.
Or parrots.
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 23 February 22:58
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 23 February 22:59
Be fair to her, she sacrificed living in a rural 'idyll' so the council could make some money selling her rented accommodation, a converted vicarage worth over £300K. Very generous of her.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283258/Do...
Though strangely the paper suggests she didn't pay the rent which her daughter and self-styled public protector Owen Jones had claimed.
Meanwhile her 11 kids isn't the only carousel she's been on!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283691/He...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283258/Do...
Though strangely the paper suggests she didn't pay the rent which her daughter and self-styled public protector Owen Jones had claimed.
Meanwhile her 11 kids isn't the only carousel she's been on!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283691/He...
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