US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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technogogo said:
Islamic extremism of the type I S follow (Saudi inflenced salafi) is not what is practiced by mainstream muslims. They abhor these animals as much as anyone else.
Can you point to any evidence for that last assertion? My understanding is that the mjority of the muslim population in the UK is in origin, Pakistani. A good proportion of these seem to originate from the poorer, more tribal and less progressive areas of Pakistan. They remain tribal here and so do not integrate. The Saudis have been funding mosques and madrassas for over 20 years in Pakistan nad I beleive here, so the sunni version of islam these guys (women I think not allowed in mosques)is of the hardest, salfist type in Saudi financed mosques.So when one of these guys, to whom Sunni islam means salafism takes a step further into active jihad warrior, is his tribe going to grass him up to the infidels? Not very often, though to their enormous credit one family did report their nutty son, who was recenly imprisoned.
My guess is that even sons families, of Pakistani origin, who are more enlightened than the tribal types, can get swept up in this in the mosque. If you can be persuaded that your whole identity is being a muslim so that the only people with whom you can identify are muslim, then you are on the launch pad with the fuse burning.
s1962a said:
Islamic extremism of the type IS follow (Saudi inflenced salafi) is not what is practiced by mainstream muslims. They abhor these animals as much as anyone else.
Really?Can you give a few examples of muslim leaders/imams/other 'influential muslim individuals' who have 'abhorred' the activities of IS?
The silence from the mainstream muslim community in the UK speaks volumes.
Fellow brothers and all that.
smegmore said:
Really?
Can you give a few examples of muslim leaders/imams/other 'influential muslim individuals' who have 'abhorred' the activities of IS?
The silence from the mainstream muslim community in the UK speaks volumes.
Fellow brothers and all that.
Worlds largest Muslim population outlaws ISIS, around 3 weeks ago..Can you give a few examples of muslim leaders/imams/other 'influential muslim individuals' who have 'abhorred' the activities of IS?
The silence from the mainstream muslim community in the UK speaks volumes.
Fellow brothers and all that.
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
scorp said:
Worlds largest Muslim population outlaws ISIS, around 3 weeks ago..
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
I was talking specifically about the UK muslim population.http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
smegmore said:
s1962a said:
Islamic extremism of the type IS follow (Saudi inflenced salafi) is not what is practiced by mainstream muslims. They abhor these animals as much as anyone else.
Really?Can you give a few examples of muslim leaders/imams/other 'influential muslim individuals' who have 'abhorred' the activities of IS?
The silence from the mainstream muslim community in the UK speaks volumes.
Fellow brothers and all that.
technogogo said:
THX said:
Needless to say, the crime here is horrific. But this;
"The Metropolitan Police has warned that "viewing, downloading or disseminating" the video might be an offence under terrorism laws."
Surely not?
Not that I want to see it. But how far does 'terrorism' law stretch?!
Yeah feels a bit 1984 doesn't it? I don't want to see it either. Some aggregator websites I use (eg reddit) don't have it, which surprises me a bit but I am so glad. I couldn't bear to even listen to the news when driving into work this morning!"The Metropolitan Police has warned that "viewing, downloading or disseminating" the video might be an offence under terrorism laws."
Surely not?
Not that I want to see it. But how far does 'terrorism' law stretch?!
If it's a terrorist offence to view and send this material why isn't the twin tower's media the same?
Mojocvh said:
Guam said:
evenflow said:
Wander what Dubya would have done about all this?
Mechanised Infantry would already be on the outskirts of Mosul I reckon, with instructions not to stop till they hooked up with Syrian forces north of Damascus!
On balance, YES!
rollondeath said:
I've watched the video and sent it to friend's! It should be on the six o'clock news so everyone can witness the religion of peace in action.
If it's a terrorist offence to view and send this material why isn't the twin tower's media the same?
You seriously have to ask that? Really?If it's a terrorist offence to view and send this material why isn't the twin tower's media the same?
smegmore said:
scorp said:
Worlds largest Muslim population outlaws ISIS, around 3 weeks ago..
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
I was talking specifically about the UK muslim population.http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world/middleeast...
"The Muslim Council of Britain, the country’s largest Muslim umbrella organization, condemned the execution of Mr. Foley. In a statement, it said that “ISIS does not speak for Islam, and has been repudiated by all Muslims.”
“Their message only appeals to those who are easily duped by their twisted message purporting to be Islam,” it said. “They seek to glamorize their violence, and unfortunately, the media has a part to play in adding to that glamour.”
el stovey said:
smegmore said:
scorp said:
Worlds largest Muslim population outlaws ISIS, around 3 weeks ago..
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
I was talking specifically about the UK muslim population.http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesian-gov...
Can we stop imagining that ISIS have tacit approval of all Muslims, it's unhelpful.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world/middleeast...
"The Muslim Council of Britain, the country’s largest Muslim umbrella organization, condemned the execution of Mr. Foley. In a statement, it said that “ISIS does not speak for Islam, and has been repudiated by all Muslims.”
“Their message only appeals to those who are easily duped by their twisted message purporting to be Islam,” it said. “They seek to glamorize their violence, and unfortunately, the media has a part to play in adding to that glamour.”
rollondeath said:
I've watched the video and sent it to friend's! It should be on the six o'clock news so everyone can witness the religion of peace in action.
If it's a terrorist offence to view and send this material why isn't the twin tower's media the same?
Seriously? Well I hope that image of an innocent man being slaughtered has sated your appetite and know that you will remember it for the rest of your life. Why would people want to see stuff like that? I have seen too many vile things since I joined the Army and the human race truly are worse than animals.If it's a terrorist offence to view and send this material why isn't the twin tower's media the same?
Can some of you not see that making it an offence is a way of 'regulating' it and stop it getting used for recruiting / propaganda / incitement reasons??
I really cannot understand why we wasted lives and money in Afghanistan for absolutely no gain yet sit by and allow these atrocities (that we enabled) to be committed.
technogogo said:
They'll leave us alone if we leave them alone? That is the most naive thing I have read for a long time. They are here and they want this country. They will bring the fight to us. They have done so numerous times. To a large extent we have been lucky since 7/7. Long may our luck hold. Long may the unseen heroes in our security service protect us.
But to think they will play quietly in some far distant land. I mean really? Seriously?
As homework search "anjam choudary what makes you think this is your country"
Edit: to clarify that "They" means extremists and only extremists.
They've only brought the fight to us after years of 'The West' meddling in the middle east. We go in and start telling them how to live their lives and sell us cheap oil and they don't like it, so start pushing back in a way that we don't like because it's not as civilised as a drone bombing an innocent family.But to think they will play quietly in some far distant land. I mean really? Seriously?
As homework search "anjam choudary what makes you think this is your country"
Edit: to clarify that "They" means extremists and only extremists.
Edited by technogogo on Wednesday 20th August 22:44
The whole merry go round of us in the middles east hasn't resulted in better lives for most of the population in these countries, just massive profits for arms and oil companies, and a bunch of pissed off fundamentalists who now have a nice juicy target.
I am in no way condoning what been done to that journalist, but to some extent the whole situation we are in now with Muslim radicals has only been helped along by western interference.
Taff107 said:
Seriously? Well I hope that image of an innocent man being slaughtered has sated your appetite and know that you will remember it for the rest of your life. Why would people want to see stuff like that? I have seen too many vile things since I joined the Army and the human race truly are worse than animals.
Can some of you not see that making it an offence is a way of 'regulating' it and stop it getting used for recruiting / propaganda / incitement reasons??
I really cannot understand why we wasted lives and money in Afghanistan for absolutely no gain yet sit by and allow these atrocities (that we enabled) to be committed.
It's not about sating appetites. Normal human beings don't normal have the capacity to murder unless they've been seriously wronged, have mental impairment or are at war, and even then it requires conditioning for most. These animals feel empowered to murder in the name of their god (interpretation or not). It warps their innate human sense of right and wrong and makes the decision an easy one. I doubt the executioner in this video, if British, has encountered any real adversity in HIS life, that can justify such an act, so it's back to root cause.Can some of you not see that making it an offence is a way of 'regulating' it and stop it getting used for recruiting / propaganda / incitement reasons??
I really cannot understand why we wasted lives and money in Afghanistan for absolutely no gain yet sit by and allow these atrocities (that we enabled) to be committed.
As for your point on recruitment, etc. Who in their mind would be swayed into extremism by watching a poor man executed? Anyone who is, I'd be glad to see them go. At least they'll be viewed down a snipers scope rather than walking past my kids in the street.
eccles said:
They've only brought the fight to us after years of 'The West' meddling in the middle east. We go in and start telling them how to live their lives and sell us cheap oil and they don't like it, so start pushing back in a way that we don't like because it's not as civilised as a drone bombing an innocent family.
The whole merry go round of us in the middles east hasn't resulted in better lives for most of the population in these countries, just massive profits for arms and oil companies, and a bunch of pissed off fundamentalists who now have a nice juicy target.
I am in no way condoning what been done to that journalist, but to some extent the whole situation we are in now with Muslim radicals has only been helped along by western interference.
Partly true, but not the real reason. They kill each other (fellow muslims) in a similar fashion. Sun Tsu wrote about the above 2500 years ago and it still holds true to this day.The whole merry go round of us in the middles east hasn't resulted in better lives for most of the population in these countries, just massive profits for arms and oil companies, and a bunch of pissed off fundamentalists who now have a nice juicy target.
I am in no way condoning what been done to that journalist, but to some extent the whole situation we are in now with Muslim radicals has only been helped along by western interference.
eccles said:
They've only brought the fight to us after years of 'The West' meddling in the middle east. We go in and start telling them how to live their lives and sell us cheap oil and they don't like it, so start pushing back in a way that we don't like because it's not as civilised as a drone bombing an innocent family.
The whole merry go round of us in the middles east hasn't resulted in better lives for most of the population in these countries, just massive profits for arms and oil companies, and a bunch of pissed off fundamentalists who now have a nice juicy target.
I am in no way condoning what been done to that journalist, but to some extent the whole situation we are in now with Muslim radicals has only been helped along by western interference.
You sound like a sympathiser.The whole merry go round of us in the middles east hasn't resulted in better lives for most of the population in these countries, just massive profits for arms and oil companies, and a bunch of pissed off fundamentalists who now have a nice juicy target.
I am in no way condoning what been done to that journalist, but to some extent the whole situation we are in now with Muslim radicals has only been helped along by western interference.
The real reason behind this has little to do with what "the West" may or may not have done. That is an excuse. It is because Islamists believe that theirs is the only way and an element of these people, with the tacit support of a huge number more, want to set about bringing the rest of the world into line.
Taff107 said:
Seriously? Well I hope that image of an innocent man being slaughtered has sated your appetite and know that you will remember it for the rest of your life. Why would people want to see stuff like that? I have seen too many vile things since I joined the Army and the human race truly are worse than animals.
Can some of you not see that making it an offence is a way of 'regulating' it and stop it getting used for recruiting / propaganda / incitement reasons??
I really cannot understand why we wasted lives and money in Afghanistan for absolutely no gain yet sit by and allow these atrocities (that we enabled) to be committed.
Ahhh, good Vs bad propaganda Can some of you not see that making it an offence is a way of 'regulating' it and stop it getting used for recruiting / propaganda / incitement reasons??
I really cannot understand why we wasted lives and money in Afghanistan for absolutely no gain yet sit by and allow these atrocities (that we enabled) to be committed.
Eleven said:
You sound like a sympathiser.
The real reason behind this has little to do with what "the West" may or may not have done. That is an excuse. It is because Islamists believe that theirs is the only way and an element of these people, with the tacit support of a huge number more, want to set about bringing the rest of the world into line.
Yeah, because eg carpet bombing cities & invading countries on false premises to set up puppet governments is hardly going to annoy anyone now, is it?The real reason behind this has little to do with what "the West" may or may not have done. That is an excuse. It is because Islamists believe that theirs is the only way and an element of these people, with the tacit support of a huge number more, want to set about bringing the rest of the world into line.
fesuvious said:
Could a Muslim please pop up and state clearly they believe that Western values are a better way of life than a Caliphate, under Shariah then please.
I'm not asking for much, just to hear a devout Muslim, and preferably an Imam state that they prefer Western values and democracy to any idea that a Caliphate, under Shariah would be better in their opinion.
More chance of getting Dawkins to present a series of Songs of Praise...I'm not asking for much, just to hear a devout Muslim, and preferably an Imam state that they prefer Western values and democracy to any idea that a Caliphate, under Shariah would be better in their opinion.
Eleven said:
You sound like a sympathiser.
The real reason behind this has little to do with what "the West" may or may not have done. That is an excuse. It is because Islamists believe that theirs is the only way and an element of these people, with the tacit support of a huge number more, want to set about bringing the rest of the world into line.
Similar to those wishing to impose democracy The real reason behind this has little to do with what "the West" may or may not have done. That is an excuse. It is because Islamists believe that theirs is the only way and an element of these people, with the tacit support of a huge number more, want to set about bringing the rest of the world into line.
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