Douglas Carswell: UKIP needs a 'fresh face' as leader

[Scuffers]

you really are a tedious individual arent you?

did you not bother watching any the election coverage including the reviews of the manifestos by the various commentators and how you keeps was the only one that actually got signed off this financially viable.

[eharding]

Scuffers said:

and how you keeps was the only one that actually got signed off this financially viable.

Tedious I may be, a gibbering incoherent wreck I am not.

What the Dickens are you dribbling on about?

[rs1952]

don4l said:

If we have left the EU, then there won't be any point in having UKIP. I suspect that most of their members will join the Conservative party and bring it back to the loony right.

EFA

[alfie2244]

rs1952 said:

don4l said:

If we have left the EU, then there won't be any point in having UKIP. I suspect that most of their members will join the Conservative party and bring it back to the loony right.

EFA

http://www.cellsea.com/ringtone/6240147/Charles-Penrose/The-Laughing-Policeman

[alfie2244]

eharding said:

Scuffers said:

and how you keeps was the only one that actually got signed off this financially viable.

Tedious I may be, a gibbering incoherent wreck I am not.

What the Dickens are you dribbling on about?

Took me a while.....UKEEPS (UKIP's?)

[rs1952]

alfie2244 said:

http://www.cellsea.com/ringtone/6240147/Charles-Pe...

You really don't get the idea of this forum, do you?

NP&L is the sub forum of Pistonheads where a number of people, brought loosely together by an interest in cars (otherwise they wouldn't have come here in the first place), spout their various ideas on the political issues of the day. We rarely agree with each other - politics is, as you know, equally as divisive as religion, and news and economics affairs aren't far behind when people put their own interpretations on them. But that is all part of the fun. A thread which has 100% agreement between all potential posters rarely gets beyond a page because nobody bothers to type anything on the subject.

Basically, most of us like putting forward their views and trying to argue other views down. The ability to use logic and string a sentence or two together helps

Preserved for posterity, this is what you have contributed to what is quite an important debate over the last two pages:

alfie2244 said:

Little things..................

Still being a joke writer for Xmas crackers at least you won't ever be out of work.

Never know Father Xmas my even bring you a new joke book Ho ho ho..........

alfie2244 said:

As semi retired penniless potential author perhaps you could help the other fella with his Xmas cracker jokes...trouble is you can't keep putting the same on in each cracker.

Wasn't you on the Avon Valley Xmas special helping Santa was it?

alfie2244 said:

Jeez mate....bit of friendly advice as it's nearly Xmas........ give it a rest, chill, have some mulled wine.... strangely you really do seem to be worrying about all of this far more than any Kipper I have heard....if you really are that anti UKIP you should be rejoicing not giving them advice IMHO..... Merry Xmas

alfie2244 said:

Really? The reason you keep banging on about it is simply because of the opposite.......you might be doing some stirring in your own boxers, and maybe the failed writers Y fronts, but for Kippers themselves it really does seem to be a minor issue.

Ironic thing is you complain about the lack of discussion and "attacking" you yet can not see that is exactly what you do to NF / Kippers............ No doubt you will find more amusing pics to post but don't be surprised if I smile at you at not your "jokes"

alfie2244 said:

http://www.cellsea.com/ringtone/6240147/Charles-Pe...

The evidence just keeps mounting up, doesn't it?

[alfie2244]

rs1952 said:

alfie2244 said:

Preserved for posterity, this is what you have contributed to what is quite an important debate over the last two pages:

and loads of other stuff...........

Important to you obviously............great multiple quoting BTW

[rs1952]

alfie2244 said:

rs1952 said:

Preserved for posterity, this is what you have contributed to what is quite an important debate over the last two pages:

and loads of other stuff...........

Important to you obviously............great multiple quoting BTW

By the way, did you cock up your multiple quoting accidentally, or just for comedic effect?

[alfie2244]

rs1952 said:

alfie2244 said:

rs1952 said:

Preserved for posterity, this is what you have contributed to what is quite an important debate over the last two pages:

and loads of other stuff...........

Important to you obviously............great multiple quoting BTW

By the way, did you cock up your multiple quoting accidentally, or just for comedic effect?

I'm just a thicko Kipper am I not?

[Zod]

don4l said:

If we vote to leave, they will both have won.

UKIP exists to get us out of the EU.

Once we have left the EU, then there won't be any point in having UKIP. I suspect that most of their members will join the Conservative party and bring it back to the centre ground.

i think you are missing the point that UKIP is now an anti-immigration party and that is what most of its voters want it to be.

[Countdown]

don4l said:

If we vote to leave, they will both have won.

UKIP exists to get us out of the EU.

Once we have left the EU, then there won't be any point in having UKIP. I suspect that most of their members will join the Conservative party and bring it back to the centre ground.

Where do you think they are at the moment?

[don4l]

Countdown said:

don4l said:

If we vote to leave, they will both have won.

UKIP exists to get us out of the EU.

Once we have left the EU, then there won't be any point in having UKIP. I suspect that most of their members will join the Conservative party and bring it back to the centre ground.

Where do you think they are at the moment?

Where Tony Blair was... a bit left of centre.

Cameron strikes me as the heir to Blair. Neither of them have any convictions, or if they have, then power is more important than anything that they might believe.

If you want to know where I sit, then you should watch this youtube video.

I suspect that you won't enjoy the speech, but you must admit that it is a good speech. I agree with Hannan, and unlike either Cameron or Blair, he is a man of conviction.

[Countdown]

don4l said:

Where Tony Blair was... a bit left of centre.

Cameron strikes me as the heir to Blair. Neither of them have any convictions, or if they have, then power is more important than anything that they might believe.

If you want to know where I sit, then you should watch this youtube video.

I suspect that you won't enjoy the speech, but you must admit that it is a good speech. I agree with Hannan, and unlike either Cameron or Blair, he is a man of conviction.

Let me guess... you'd put UKIP as centrist......?

Tony Blair wasn't left wing. I'd put him mildly centre-right, which is why he attracted so much of the non-"traditional Labour vote", subsequently lost by Brown and Milliband. I'd agree that DC has positioned the Tories in the same area but calling them lefty is a bit bonkers.

[Esseesse]

Countdown said:

Let me guess... you'd put UKIP as centrist......?

Tony Blair wasn't left wing. I'd put him mildly centre-right, which is why he attracted so much of the non-"traditional Labour vote", subsequently lost by Brown and Milliband. I'd agree that DC has positioned the Tories in the same area but calling them lefty is a bit bonkers.

Tony Blair was left wing, but New Labour efforts were more focused on social issues. The fact that you (and many others) don't think he was left wing shows just how successful he was, the centre ground of politics has been moved.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/12/pet...

[Scuffers]

Esseesse said:

Tony Blair was left wing, but New Labour efforts were more focused on social issues. The fact that you (and many others) don't think he was left wing shows just how successful he was, the centre ground of politics has been moved.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/12/pet...

Left wing?

So please square that with PFI, the rise of capita/serco/etc.

[don4l]

Countdown said:

don4l said:

Where Tony Blair was... a bit left of centre.

Cameron strikes me as the heir to Blair. Neither of them have any convictions, or if they have, then power is more important than anything that they might believe.

If you want to know where I sit, then you should watch this youtube video.

I suspect that you won't enjoy the speech, but you must admit that it is a good speech. I agree with Hannan, and unlike either Cameron or Blair, he is a man of conviction.

Let me guess... you'd put UKIP as centrist......?

Tony Blair wasn't left wing. I'd put him mildly centre-right, which is why he attracted so much of the non-"traditional Labour vote", subsequently lost by Brown and Milliband. I'd agree that DC has positioned the Tories in the same area but calling them lefty is a bit bonkers.

I guess that you haven't actually looked at UKIP's policies.

Some of them are right wing, but some of them are what I would call left wing. They have introduced many policies to seduce your average trade union member.

Tony Blair was very good at disguising his leftie policies. A simple example was his desire to screw up areas where "posh" people live. He came up with the idea that "density targets" should be set to solve the housing shortage. The result was that a select housing development up the road from me got refused planning permission for 5 five bedroomed houses. They had to change it into four 5 bedroomed houses plus one block of "social housing" flats. You can see that the street was thrashed.

Tony Blair was left wing. He was very good at disguising the fact.

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

don4l said:

If we vote to leave, they will both have won.

UKIP exists to get us out of the EU.

Once we have left the EU, then there won't be any point in having UKIP. I suspect that most of their members will join the Conservative party and bring it back to the centre ground.

Where do you think they are at the moment?

don4ld's "special thing" is to call everyone and everything a leftie. I think he thinks it's funny, and a good wind up.

I guess he doesn't realise it just makes him sound like the world's biggest goose stepper.

He has other "special things" too: not making much sense, ignoring what he's previously said, saying "I didn't say that" over and over again, and apparently not really understanding (or caring?) what he has said.

Poor don4ld.

[tangerine_sedge]

Rupert the bear falls out with local UKIP bigwig...

warning Rupert the bear images ahead!

At this rate, Farage will be the only person left in UKIP...

[alfie2244]

tangerine_sedge said:

Rupert the bear falls out with local UKIP bigwig...

warning Rupert the bear images ahead!

At this rate, Farage will be the only person left in UKIP...

The orange_plant doth protest too much methinks.

[Scuffers]

alfie2244 said:

The orange_plant doth protest too much methinks.

what's the story here?

he went out for the day?