Richmond Park by-election.
Discussion
Deptford Draylons said:
Just to put it in some context, the LibDems are polling 8% nationally. Ukip who have spent the summer having punch ups and merry-go-round leaders and lost any real reason for actually existing post referendum, are polling 13%
POlls eh, yip, they've been quite reliable recently, I'll put a fiver on. 
Balmoral said:
Piersman2 said:
Am I missing something?
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Seems obvious to me too, the media seem to be living in opposite world, if any part of this result is going to be attributed to the referendum, then from the maths (same constituency, same voters), it's a huge drop in support for remain.During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Goldsmith's mistake was thinking that the airport expansion was a bigger issue for most people in this constituency than Brexit.
On the north side of Richmond Park you can virtually count the rivets on planes that come overhead every two minutes anyway, so a lot of people either won't care or won't think that expansion will make it any worse. Some will care, of course, but obviously not enough to swing the vote.
It would be interesting to see what would have happened if the by-election was held in seats like Kingston & Surbiton or Esher & Walton which are both likely to be worse impacted by increased noise and pollution from Heathrow expansion and had slightly less strong remain majority at the referendum.
Edited by kingston12 on Friday 13th January 14:16
I don't see why anyone voting for the lib dems here could have fantasised that if it was 'about brexit, that the vote would have made any difference to the national vote to leave the EU. I guess it's the lib dems' marketing - clutching at the only straw they had to get any sort of power anywhere.
RichB said:
She said "We do not want to be pulled out of the single market, and we will not let intolerance, division and fear win."
Sounds pretty intolerant herself considering the result of a democratic vote
The "democratic" vote you refer to was a slim majority of in favour of a British exit from the EU, not a British exit from the EEA/single market. Sounds pretty intolerant herself considering the result of a democratic vote
You're proof in point that none of the people who voted 'Leave' had a clue what actually they voted for.
Guybrush said:
I don't see why anyone voting for the lib dems here could have fantasised that if it was 'about brexit, that the vote would have made any difference to the national vote to leave the EU. I guess it's the lib dems' marketing - clutching at the only straw they had to get any sort of power anywhere.
Well, Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. We have no idea what the outcome will look like because Pokerface May isn't telling - Brexit means Brexit, etc. So even if it doesn't change that we leave the EU, it might make May think more carefully about what the country looks like post Brexit.In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
Zigster said:
Well, Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. We have no idea what the outcome will look like because Pokerface May isn't telling - Brexit means Brexit, etc. So even if it doesn't change that we leave the EU, it might make May think more carefully about what the country looks like post Brexit.
In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
Wait... 52% isn't an overwhelming majority? In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
Zigster said:
Guybrush said:
I don't see why anyone voting for the lib dems here could have fantasised that if it was 'about brexit, that the vote would have made any difference to the national vote to leave the EU. I guess it's the lib dems' marketing - clutching at the only straw they had to get any sort of power anywhere.
Well, Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. We have no idea what the outcome will look like because Pokerface May isn't telling - Brexit means Brexit, etc. So even if it doesn't change that we leave the EU, it might make May think more carefully about what the country looks like post Brexit.In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
How do you have a country that "works for everyone" while ignoring 48% of the electorate.
Zigster said:
In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
Not really, and it's not an obsession - it's a plain simple fact. Indeed I'd say it's the other way round with the 48% unable to accept that more people voted the other way. Incidentally I voted to remain but the day after I was very disappointed by the way many of the remain voters immediately started questioning the majority decision. So much so, infact that a lot of my points come across as if I am a leaver, I was not but I am sick and tired of remainers moaning and trying to derail the result of a UK wide referendum.
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 2nd December 11:47
Just like the Witney by-election, the Lib-Dums spent a fortune on canvassing. Have they any money left now? Both by-elections were low turnout - the Witney one, which was still won by the Tories but the Lib-Dums got second had a turnout of less than 26% - this among the lowest in a by-election since the Second World War! But the point is they spent-out, for what? They even rang me again on polling day ffs, someone who has never voted Lib in his life.
Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR
Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accepted the result.
Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accepted the result.
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
The second by election is in 2020. May be we should have an EU referendum every 5 years too. JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
esxste said:
RichB said:
She said "We do not want to be pulled out of the single market, and we will not let intolerance, division and fear win." Sounds pretty intolerant herself considering the result of a democratic vote
The "democratic" vote you refer to was a slim majority of in favour of a British exit from the EU, not a British exit from the EEA/single market. You're proof in point that none of the people who voted 'Leave' had a clue what actually they voted for.
As I said earlier I voted remain and yes, I did know what I was voting for, even down to the fact that it was a UK wide vote not a British vote as you seemed to think. 
dandarez said:
Just like the Witney by-election, the Lib-Dums spent a fortune on canvassing. Have they any money left now? Both by-elections were low turnout - the Witney one, which was still won by the Tories but the Lib-Dums got second had a turnout of less than 26% - this among the lowest in a by-election since the Second World War! But the point is they spent-out, for what? They even rang me again on polling day ffs, someone who has never voted Lib in his life.
Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR
Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accept the result.
Except you haven't. Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accept the result.
You have already stated at the GE they will get wiped out, hardly excepting.
Your good fortune is that you will get another say in a few years time. Not so with the EU referendum.
jonnyb said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
The second by election is in 2020. May be we should have an EU referendum every 5 years too. JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 2nd December 11:47
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
Precisely I don't think Tim Farron has realised the fire he is playing with. Let's say we don't accept the result of the democratic result of that by election, etc. What happens next?JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
dandarez said:
jonnyb said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
The second by election is in 2020. May be we should have an EU referendum every 5 years too. JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
When's our next chance to vote in an EU referendum? 2020?
CaptainSlow said:
Piersman2 said:
Am I missing something?
If the inference from the Lib Dems and the BBC is that this was turned into a Brexit/Remain vote, it doesn't look good for the remainers.
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Apparently.
Why are the Lib Dems and the BBC trumpeting this as a tidalwave of support for a non-hard Brexit? (Whatever that is actually supposed to mean)
ETA - I notice a few others above have asked the same question.
Because BBCIf the inference from the Lib Dems and the BBC is that this was turned into a Brexit/Remain vote, it doesn't look good for the remainers.
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Apparently.
Why are the Lib Dems and the BBC trumpeting this as a tidalwave of support for a non-hard Brexit? (Whatever that is actually supposed to mean)
ETA - I notice a few others above have asked the same question.
Edited by Piersman2 on Friday 2nd December 09:39
Easier to rouse people for single issues, rather than by-elections or general elections.
Those that came out made their point.
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