What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[zygalski]

steveT350C said:

I am not defending what this person has tweeted. I am trying, evidently not very well, so get someone to explain why the comments, when taken IN CONTEXT, are racist.

Just to confirm, I am not defending, just trying to gauge why it is RACIST to suggest what was suggested, IN CONTEXT. So far no-one has even mentioned what Lenny Henry was lobbying about!

Do I need to quote the Oxford English Dictionary's definition?

If you don't think what Henwood said was racist, then presumably you think it was wrong for UKIP MEP Roger Helmer to issue the following statement:
"We have an individual who has made totally unacceptable comments... we do not accept comments of that kind."
???

[steveT350C]

zygalski said:

steveT350C said:

I am not defending what this person has tweeted. I am trying, evidently not very well, so get someone to explain why the comments, when taken IN CONTEXT, are racist.

Just to confirm, I am not defending, just trying to gauge why it is RACIST to suggest what was suggested, IN CONTEXT. So far no-one has even mentioned what Lenny Henry was lobbying about!

Do I need to quote the Oxford English Dictionary's definition?

If you don't think what Henwood said was racist, then presumably you think it was wrong for UKIP MEP Roger Helmer to issue the following statement:
"We have an individual who has made totally unacceptable comments... we do not accept comments of that kind."
???

Jesus wept.

[zygalski]

steveT350C said:

Jesus wept.

Do you think Henwood's comments are racist in nature or not?
A simple yes or no would be ok.

[TKF]

steveT350C said:

Zod said:

steveT350C said:

Either answer the question Zod or troll somewhere else. Simples

It is racist to say that a black person would go and live in a black country.

I am not trolling. You are defending a racist and you know it.

I am not defending what this person has tweeted. I am trying, evidently not very well, so get someone to explain why the comments, when taken IN CONTEXT, are racist.

Just to confirm, I am not defending, just trying to gauge why it is RACIST to suggest what was suggested, IN CONTEXT. So far no-one has even mentioned what Lenny Henry was lobbying about!

Do I need to quote the Oxford English Dictionary's definition?

It sounds a hell of a lot like you are defending the person and his tweet.

To be frank, fk the "context". If you say to anyone "Go and live in a black country. You don't have to live with whites" then it makes you a racist.

You have pinned your colours to a nice flag over this pedantry.

[steveT350C]

zygalski said:

steveT350C said:

Jesus wept.

Do you think Henwood's comments are racist in nature or not?
A simple yes or no would be ok.

I don't know! Hence I am asking the question!!

I am waiting for someone to explain why, in the context they were said, they are. So far no one has....

[steveT350C]

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

Zod said:

steveT350C said:

Either answer the question Zod or troll somewhere else. Simples

It is racist to say that a black person would go and live in a black country.

I am not trolling. You are defending a racist and you know it.

I am not defending what this person has tweeted. I am trying, evidently not very well, so get someone to explain why the comments, when taken IN CONTEXT, are racist.

Just to confirm, I am not defending, just trying to gauge why it is RACIST to suggest what was suggested, IN CONTEXT. So far no-one has even mentioned what Lenny Henry was lobbying about!

Do I need to quote the Oxford English Dictionary's definition?

It sounds a hell of a lot like you are defending the person and his tweet.

To be frank, fk the "context". If you say to anyone "Go and live in a black country. You don't have to live with whites" then it makes you a racist.

You have pinned your colours to a nice flag over this pedantry.

"fk the context"???

Oh dear.

[longblackcoat]

Guam said:

longblackcoat said:

Guam said:

I think for us Crayon users you should be more specific as to your meaning, not sure what our "true nature is" (as according to Zod I must be a supporter even though I have never voted UKIP before having an opinion on a political matter clearly marks ones card around here). I guess when I voted for CMD last time out I was a Tory fanboy, and the time before that, and the time I voted for Blair, I was a lefty (oh wait that would be close to the mark at least)

If you voted for Blair, you certainly weren't a lefty! He was the reason I left the PLP.

Well as I didnt dictate Labours internal Policy at the time and John Smith had sadly passed, there was no option, plus no one would have ever made Tony Benn leader

Cetainly wasnt going back to the Liberals back then.

I agree. I voted for Blair as the only option, as did you, but I was always suspicious of his Tory tendencies.

[zygalski]

steveT350C said:

I don't know! Hence I am asking the question!!

I am waiting for someone to explain why, in the context they were said, they are. So far no one has....

Well if the "context" was that Lenny Henry & several of his black mates were kicking the st out of Henwood for no other reason than he is white, then I'd say that was a solid reason to make his statement. I'm not sure that that is what happened though.

[WinstonWolf]

zygalski said:

steveT350C said:

I am not defending what this person has tweeted. I am trying, evidently not very well, so get someone to explain why the comments, when taken IN CONTEXT, are racist.

Just to confirm, I am not defending, just trying to gauge why it is RACIST to suggest what was suggested, IN CONTEXT. So far no-one has even mentioned what Lenny Henry was lobbying about!

Do I need to quote the Oxford English Dictionary's definition?

If you don't think what Henwood said was racist, then presumably you think it was wrong for UKIP MEP Roger Helmer to issue the following statement:
"We have an individual who has made totally unacceptable comments... we do not accept comments of that kind."
???

Sounds like the party doesn't support racist viewpoints to me

Something we've all been saying since the year dot...

[steveT350C]

zygalski said:

steveT350C said:

I don't know! Hence I am asking the question!!

I am waiting for someone to explain why, in the context they were said, they are. So far no one has....

Well if the context was that Lenny Henry & several of his black mates were kicking the st out of Henwood for no other reason than he is white, then I'd say that was a solid reason to make his statement. I'm not sure that that is what happened though.

Er no it's not. Well done.

[TKF]

steveT350C said:

"fk the context"???

Oh dear.

Since you are so wise and knowing why don't you explain to us IN CONTEXT why his comments are not racist?

[anonymous-user]

Hey Guam, wanna know the source for UKIP having the opportunity to edit the Lampitt broadcast before inflicting it on the Welsh? The source is called U K I P. Yep, that's right. UKIP confirmed this to be the case to Channel 4 News. Calling me a liar? Go on then, call me a liar. Or, maybe do some basic research before trotting out any old desperate excuse for the infallible Purple Idol.

As for making your electoral choices on the basis of feeling a bit miffed by what people say in a chattering shop in a car forum, well, hey, if that's how you roll.

[mph1977]

mrpurple said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Breadvan72 said:

the same old xenophobes, homophobes and assorted loons keep popping up.

Thank goodness they do. Shows UKIP for what it really is. Nasty fringe outfit, appealing to the narrow-minded and "nationalists" of the old school.

And their poll rating / membership goes up on a daily basis.

'New'Labour offered bread and circuses and is still offering them despite not having a clue how they will pay for it - Balls was Winky's no 1 cheerleader and as shadow chancellor and likely to be chancellor is Neue Arbeit get back in more of the same along with 'Red Ed's' (the unwanted by everyone but the Unions Brother) leftward lurches.

the Conservative Party has had to adminster some strong and distasteful medicine

the LibDems are seen by their traditional supporters as having sold out by going into the coalition

[10 Pence Short]

steveT350C said:

"fk the context"???

Oh dear.

I think reading the comments in context only makes them sound worse.

If the UKIP member disagrees with Lenny Henry, he could have explained why in his opinion there are sufficient blacks represented or if not, why there should not be.

Instead, he stated that if you think there aren't enough blacks in the media, you shouldn't be in this country.

To me that sounds ignorant, dangerous and open to be considered racist by black people.

[anonymous-user]

So in other words, Guam, you are calling me a liar. I don't have to do your homework for you, but as you seem to find Google a challenge, here's a clue: Have a look at Michael Crick's twitter feed. The story was broadcast on Channel 4 News last week. I made the point that UKIP had been offered the change to edit the broadcast when I first referred to it here, before you clutched at your straw and invented your desperate "oh it must be a contract or something" theory. I am not here to be your fact checker, even though you badly need one. Maybe hire some German, or something.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 19:35

[steveT350C]

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

"fk the context"???

Oh dear.

Since you are so wise and knowing why don't you explain to us IN CONTEXT why his comments are not racist?

It's about basic numbers...

I heard this story at about 4am this morning, and it pissed me off. My first thought was that this guy, Henwood, must be some 'plant' put there by the LibLabCon machine to discredit UKIP. Lenny Henry must be the best loved black TV personality in the UK, ever. I for one loved him on TISWAS

LBC at 4am were discussing racist comments made by a prospective UKIP councillor of Enfield. The presenter, Cristo, said that this guy had tweeted that he thought Lenny Henry should emigrate to a 'black county'.

After breakfast at 9ish this morning I started looking into the story. It was only on the Guardian site at the time. I nearly posted it here, but thought I would wait and see what developed.

I guessed, rightly, that a link to the story surrounded by the word 'racist' would appear.

That said, and the question I have been asking that no-one has yet answered, is, is what Henwood said actually racist?

Lenny Henry has been lobbying the BBC for years, saying there are not enough black people in the creative arts..

"They now make up just 5.4% of the broadcasting workforce, which Henry described as an "appalling percentage".

What percentage of the UK population is black? Well, last count, 3.3% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British

Well, what is the percentage of black people in the top 100 UK comedians, according to The Comedy Club?

Well, count for yourself, but it is way more than 3.3%. And other ethnic groups are represented equally favourably. http://www.thecomedyclub.co.uk/tag/top-100-comedia...


If Lenny Henry wants a higher % of black people on TV, or in the creative arts, then in the UK we either need to have a disproportionally higher % of black people in said industries compared with our demographic, or Lenny needs to live somewhere where the % of blacks to whites in the population is higher.

So, whilst I think what Henwood said is bloody stupid, especially in UKIP's current position, I do not think it was actually racist, just a comment on basic math.

Edited by steveT350C on Sunday 27th April 19:39

[anonymous-user]

In the interests of fairness to and equality for bigots of all kinds, we should not let the crass xenophobes overshadow the splendid Robert Bilcliff, UKIP candidate, who tweeted that the day when gay marriage became lawful was "a sad day for all us straight people". Top work, not at all bigoted UKIP fella.

[mrpurple]

saw this guy a few months ago..even though I am a racist I thought he was hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqhiRHNuCaM

[10 Pence Short]

Breadvan72 said:

In the interests of fairness to and equality for bigots of all kinds, we should not let the crass xenophobes overshadow the splendid Robert Bilcliff, UKIP candidate, who tweeted that the day when gay marriage became lawful was "a sad day for all us straight people". Top work, not at all bigoted UKIP fella.

I was so gonna turn Jodie Foster. Then I remembered she's eleventy billion years old and probably as mad as a hatful of kippers.

[steveT350C]

Breadvan72 said:

In the interests of fairness to and equality for bigots of all kinds, we should not let the crass xenophobes overshadow the splendid Robert Bilcliff, UKIP candidate, who tweeted that the day when gay marriage became lawful was "a sad day for all us straight people". Top work, not at all bigoted UKIP fella.

That is pretty grim!