What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[TKF]

steveT350C said:

So, whilst I think what Henwood said is bloody stupid, especially in UKIP's current position, I do not think it was actually racist, just a comment on basic math.

Nice try at defending the indefensible. There's no zealot like a religious zealot.

[steveT350C]

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

So, whilst I think what Henwood said is bloody stupid, especially in UKIP's current position, I do not think it was actually racist, just a comment on basic math.

Nice try at defending the indefensible. There's no zealot like a religious zealot.

I said right from the start that I was not defending him. Have you read that far back?

ETA, religious????

Edited by steveT350C on Sunday 27th April 19:49

[TKF]

steveT350C said:

That is pretty grim!

It's all about the context. Tell me why IN CONTEXT that comment was homophobic?

It's simple maths. If gay people are allowed to marry then there are less free women for us straight people.

[steveT350C]

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

That is pretty grim!

It's all about the context. Tell me why IN CONTEXT that comment was homophobic?

It's simple maths. If gay people are allowed to marry then there are less free women for us straight people.

I was agreeing with BV

[anonymous-user]

Guam, I told you what had happened about the broadcast in Wales. You repeatedly declined to accept this, although I was indeed relating the position as confirmed by UKIP and reported nationally. I am not your research assistant, but you now have all the information you need to accept that you were wrong and apologise, but I doubt that you will. Once again, your old Marxist ways appear to shine through.

[don4l]

Breadvan72 said:

Spin, smoke and mirrors exploiting legitimate public concern about the political system in general and the many defects of the EU in particular, and playing to fear, ignorance and, to some extent, nasty atavistic thinking amongst sections of the electorate (not all who buy the spin are nasty atavistic thinkers, but some are). Farage masquerades as the honest bloke in a group of fibbers, but does this by himself resorting to fibs and exaggerations. He is a career politician who has persuaded people who don't fact check that he is just some ordinary type trying to help ordinary types.

Also, the "success" at present consists of good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.

Surely, success means achieving their main stated objective.

UKIP want to be out of the European Union.

They don't actually need any seats at Westminister to achieve this.

All they need to do is to force a referendum.

I would suggest that we are much closer to a referendum than we have been in many years. So, UKIP are currently winning, not just in the opinion polls, but they are also getting close to their real objective.

[Countdown]

They won't get a referendum by splitting the Tory vote.

Even getting a referendum won't mean we leave the EU.....


http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/03/26/eu-referendum-...

[eharding]

don4l said:

They don't actually need any seats at Westminister to achieve this.

All they need to do is to force a referendum.

...and what possible sequence of events can you see that would lead to UKIP 'forcing' a referendum?

[Esseesse]

Countdown said:

Breadvan72 said:

Others want stuff that is just daft (all taxi drivers to wear uniform - a manifesto pledge),

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 27th April 16:48

Not the only crackpot pledge it would appear.......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/post.asp?h=0&am...

Restrict the number of foreigners on British football teams, which it believes is behind their ‘lack of success’
Ban the burqa and hold referendums on new mosques
Axe the Ministry of Defence
Impose ‘proper dress’ in theatres, hotels and restaurants
Investigate alleged discrimination against white people at the BBC
Paint trains in traditional colours
Deploy soldiers on the street
Enforcing a dress code for taxi drivers
Make the London Underground's Circle line a circle again
Give MPs more freedom on their expenses
Return the crown to pint glasses

IIRC the 'all taxi drivers to wear a uniform' thing was not a manifesto pledge, it's something that has been whipped up by the MSM (smear). By all means, please link me to the manifesto document where it says that taxi drivers should wear a uniform and put me straight.

The reference to taxi drivers was in a policy document released around the time of the 2010 manifesto. It said something about giving local authorities the power to clean up their taxi ranks, to improve their standards. I don't think it mentioned a uniform. Local authorities having this kind of power doesn't seem like a crazy or racist idea to me...

Also, the circle line was once a circle. Presumably there was an argument to 'break' the circle, I'm sure there are valid arguments to having a train line that can run in a continuous circle. Why is having the opinion that it would be better as a circle stupid, crazy or racist given supporting evidence?

I don't have answers for every thing else in your list off the top of my head right now. I suspect that you yourself haven't seen where they come from in there original context either though?

[longblackcoat]

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

"fk the context"???

Oh dear.

Since you are so wise and knowing why don't you explain to us IN CONTEXT why his comments are not racist?

It's about basic numbers...

I heard this story at about 4am this morning, and it pissed me off. My first thought was that this guy, Henwood, must be some 'plant' put there by the LibLabCon machine to discredit UKIP. Lenny Henry must be the best loved black TV personality in the UK, ever. I for one loved him on TISWAS

LBC at 4am were discussing racist comments made by a prospective UKIP councillor of Enfield. The presenter, Cristo, said that this guy had tweeted that he thought Lenny Henry should emigrate to a 'black county'.

After breakfast at 9ish this morning I started looking into the story. It was only on the Guardian site at the time. I nearly posted it here, but thought I would wait and see what developed.

I guessed, rightly, that a link to the story surrounded by the word 'racist' would appear.

That said, and the question I have been asking that no-one has yet answered, is, is what Henwood said actually racist?

Lenny Henry has been lobbying the BBC for years, saying there are not enough black people in the creative arts..

"They now make up just 5.4% of the broadcasting workforce, which Henry described as an "appalling percentage".

What percentage of the UK population is black? Well, last count, 3.3% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British

Well, what is the percentage of black people in the top 100 UK comedians, according to The Comedy Club?

Well, count for yourself, but it is way more than 3.3%. And other ethnic groups are represented equally favourably. http://www.thecomedyclub.co.uk/tag/top-100-comedia...


If Lenny Henry wants a higher % of black people on TV, or in the creative arts, then in the UK we either need to have a disproportionally higher % of black people in said industries compared with our demographic, or Lenny needs to live somewhere where the % of blacks to whites in the population is higher.

So, whilst I think what Henwood said is bloody stupid, especially in UKIP's current position, I do not think it was actually racist, just a comment on basic math.

Edited by steveT350C on Sunday 27th April 19:39

It's about basic numbers, true, but your numbers are incorrect.

Lenny Henry's been talking about BAME (black and minority ethnic) people, who made up (in 2011, last data I could find) 14.1% of the population, versus 5.4% of the broadcasting workforce. As Mr Henry (still the least funny standup I've ever seen) states, there's a massive under-representation.

an article reporting on Lenny Henry said:

Lenny Henry is calling for a reversal in the "paucity" of ethnic minorities on British television and comedy programmes.

The comic first spoke about improving diversity in film and television in 2008 but described his frustration that so little has changed to an audience at a Bafta lecture on Monday night.

Just 5.4% of the broadcasting industry is made up of black, Asian, minority and ethnic (BAME) people, he said.

"The evolution of BAME on TV seems to lurch one step forward and two steps back."

Tell me again, was Henwood talking any sense, or was it just ill-informed prejudice?

http://raceforopportunity.bitc.org.uk/research_ins...

Edited by longblackcoat on Sunday 27th April 22:59

[TKF]

zygalski said:

If you don't think what Henwood said was racist, then presumably you think it was wrong for UKIP MEP Roger Helmer to issue the following statement:
"We have an individual who has made totally unacceptable comments... we do not accept comments of that kind."
???

Would that be the same Roger Helmer who said on Twitter "Why is it OK for a surgeon to perform a sex change operation, but not OK for a psychiatrist to try to ‘turn’ a consenting homosexual.”?

The comment isn't homophobic though because, according to Helmer, “I have yet to meet anyone who has an irrational fear of homosexuals, or of homosexuality. So to the extent that the word has any meaning at all, it describes something which simply does not exist.”

You heard it here folks, homophobia doesn't exist.

In case people aren't sure who Roger Helmer is, here he is in Brussels working tirelessly to get us out of that darned EU.

[league67]

Colonial said:

mrpurple said:

Sorry for the thread drift but this just about sums things up for me.

http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/9319

I guess it's a step from up from referencing Alex Jones/InfoWars.

What, are you saying that 'writer' who wrote 'books' like 'Pillaged!' and 'Fleeced!' and 'RIP-OFF!' is not on your list of must-read-books? With all those exclamation marks to whip plebus vulgaris into frenzy and explain how 'bleeding bankers and management consultants' stole all their money? His mission is, clearly, to open the eyes of an ordinary Joe. Fact that, in his own words, he started writing those books because he was 'blacklisted from consultancy companies' is just a proof that he is telling the truth.

Cmon Colonial. Give credit where credit is due.

It's not the first time that that site was listed on these threads. I can see why such books would appeal to a kipper. The more exclamation marks, the better. It explains, in plain English, using short words, where it all went wrong.

[league67]

TKF said:

Would that be the same Roger Helmer who said on Twitter "Why is it OK for a surgeon to perform a sex change operation, but not OK for a psychiatrist to try to ‘turn’ a consenting homosexual.”?

The comment isn't homophobic though because, according to Helmer, “I have yet to meet anyone who has an irrational fear of homosexuals, or of homosexuality. So to the extent that the word has any meaning at all, it describes something which simply does not exist.”

You heard it here folks, homophobia doesn't exist.

In case people aren't sure who Roger Helmer is, here he is in Brussels working tirelessly to get us out of that darned EU.

Clearly p'shop to discredit hard working MEP. Or, he was actually working hard the night before, Or, what about LibDem MEP's? Are they always awake? Or what about all other times when he was awake, or not even present?

[TKF]

league67 said:

Clearly p'shop to discredit hard working MEP. Or, he was actually working hard the night before, Or, what about LibDem MEP's? Are they always awake? Or what about all other times when he was awake, or not even present?

Oh bad luck caller. The phrase we were looking for was "establishment smear". Better luck next time.

[eharding]

league67 said:

TKF said:

Would that be the same Roger Helmer who said on Twitter "Why is it OK for a surgeon to perform a sex change operation, but not OK for a psychiatrist to try to ‘turn’ a consenting homosexual.”?

The comment isn't homophobic though because, according to Helmer, “I have yet to meet anyone who has an irrational fear of homosexuals, or of homosexuality. So to the extent that the word has any meaning at all, it describes something which simply does not exist.”

You heard it here folks, homophobia doesn't exist.

In case people aren't sure who Roger Helmer is, here he is in Brussels working tirelessly to get us out of that darned EU.

Clearly p'shop to discredit hard working MEP. Or, he was actually working hard the night before, Or, what about LibDem MEP's? Are they always awake? Or what about all other times when he was awake, or not even present?

Oh, come on.....he's just doing exactly what it says on the tin. He's a 'kipper. Having a kip.

[league67]

TKF said:

league67 said:

Clearly p'shop to discredit hard working MEP. Or, he was actually working hard the night before, Or, what about LibDem MEP's? Are they always awake? Or what about all other times when he was awake, or not even present?

Oh bad luck caller. The phrase we were looking for was "establishment smear". Better luck next time.

My bad. I forgot all about that. Perpetuated by, of course, journalists who are in the pocket of their EU masters.

[AJS-]

I was seriously considering voting UKIP as I agree with their policies and I feel they better represent my views and have more integrity than the major parties but I won't stand for slouching, so it will have to be Tory or Labour.

[Zod]

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

"fk the context"???

Oh dear.

Since you are so wise and knowing why don't you explain to us IN CONTEXT why his comments are not racist?

It's about basic numbers...

I heard this story at about 4am this morning, and it pissed me off. My first thought was that this guy, Henwood, must be some 'plant' put there by the LibLabCon machine to discredit UKIP. Lenny Henry must be the best loved black TV personality in the UK, ever. I for one loved him on TISWAS

LBC at 4am were discussing racist comments made by a prospective UKIP councillor of Enfield. The presenter, Cristo, said that this guy had tweeted that he thought Lenny Henry should emigrate to a 'black county'.

After breakfast at 9ish this morning I started looking into the story. It was only on the Guardian site at the time. I nearly posted it here, but thought I would wait and see what developed.

I guessed, rightly, that a link to the story surrounded by the word 'racist' would appear.

That said, and the question I have been asking that no-one has yet answered, is, is what Henwood said actually racist?

Lenny Henry has been lobbying the BBC for years, saying there are not enough black people in the creative arts..

"They now make up just 5.4% of the broadcasting workforce, which Henry described as an "appalling percentage".

What percentage of the UK population is black? Well, last count, 3.3% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British

Well, what is the percentage of black people in the top 100 UK comedians, according to The Comedy Club?

Well, count for yourself, but it is way more than 3.3%. And other ethnic groups are represented equally favourably. http://www.thecomedyclub.co.uk/tag/top-100-comedia...


If Lenny Henry wants a higher % of black people on TV, or in the creative arts, then in the UK we either need to have a disproportionally higher % of black people in said industries compared with our demographic, or Lenny needs to live somewhere where the % of blacks to whites in the population is higher.

So, whilst I think what Henwood said is bloody stupid, especially in UKIP's current position, I do not think it was actually racist, just a comment on basic math.

Edited by steveT350C on Sunday 27th April 19:39

Just quoting this in case Steve re-reads it, realises how bad this makes him look and deletes it.

[10 Pence Short]

Zod said:

Just quoting this in case Steve re-reads it, realises how bad this makes him look and deletes it.

Ah well, at least he can emigrate to Bongo Bongo Land if it all gets a bit too embarrassing.

Mind you, he'll have to put up with Lenny Henry.

[WinstonWolf]

10 Pence Short said:

Zod said:

Just quoting this in case Steve re-reads it, realises how bad this makes him look and deletes it.

Ah well, at least he can emigrate to Bongo Bongo Land if it all gets a bit too embarrassing.

Mind you, he'll have to put up with Lenny Henry.

If someone else said Bongo Bongo land you'd call for them to be strung up no doubt?