Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Big Rod]

Strocky said:

Re your SSP claiming family member, would a right wing no voter knock back something they could claim for on a point of principle? Principles doesn't feed the family

I have.

Because I didn't need it and figured it should be given to someone who could make more use of it.

So there!

[Strocky]

///ajd said:

lol, strocky still thinks the totalitarian nazi type behaviour wasn't stacked hugely on the YES side. Deluded. Even tries to imply the police were complicit. That would be the single unified Police Scotland state forces?

The above is a matter of public record no matter how inconvenient it is to the narrative trying to be painted from those hundreds of miles away

Just google "george square better together" in case your memory is failing old bean

[r11co]

AstonZagato said:

Nor were the lies institutionalised in the NO campaign as it was in the YES (the White Paper was full of them).

The instiutionalising of lies was the tactic that work so well as to deliver the SNP 56 MPs.

What exactly is a 'Red Tory' I would ask my SNP supporting kin? Their response (taken from SNP campaign literature) was Labour and Liberal MPs because they had supported £30bn of auterity cuts. When I pointed out no Labour and few Liberal MPs (Charles Kennedy being one who did not) had voted in support, their response (after a bit onf cinfusion and then consultation with their SNP cohorts over Facebook) was that they had abstained and their inaction was tacit support. When I pointed out that (a) when in opposition an abstention and a vote against the government achieves the same result and (b) several SNP MPs had abstained in the vote too, as well as the vote to reject the 'so called bedroom tax', so were they Red Tories too.....? But no matter - I was an 'f'ing Tory' in their eyes and I was wrong.

The aforementioned Charles Kennedy said just before he died that he had given up trying to disprove the belief among the public in his constituency that he had voted with the coaliton for the cuts.

The former MP in my constituency Douglas Alexander had to publish details of his childhood in his election leaflets to disprove that he had any involvement in the closure of the Linwood car factory (because he was too busy studying for his Highers at the time), again a lie institutionalised by Nationalist posters and leaflets in the area connecting him with 'Red Toryism' and therefor 'Margaret Thatcher'.

History will judge the SNP though. I do not believe that independence is 'inevitable' as the cause was and still is mired in a whole lot of other political debate that will unravel through time as the SNP become 'the establishment' they claim to rally against. That Strocky has relegated them in his mind to 'a means to an end' is in itself a comforting sign that the process has begun.

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 25th August 16:08

[r11co]

Strocky said:

Just google "george square better together".

I did.

Second link down.

[///ajd]

Strocky said:

///ajd said:

lol, strocky still thinks the totalitarian nazi type behaviour wasn't stacked hugely on the YES side. Deluded. Even tries to imply the police were complicit. That would be the single unified Police Scotland state forces?

The above is a matter of public record no matter how inconvenient it is to the narrative trying to be painted from those hundreds of miles away

Just google "george square better together" in case your memory is failing old bean

Try and think big picture Stroker. Set aside some mentalists in the square - who were systematically lying and fostering hate for months? And not just hooligans - the rot went right to the top, encouraging the hate filled cybers with no target too low (remember that wrongly slurred mother?)

Goebbels would have recognised much of it. And these are all facts, a matter of public record.

[NoNeed]

///ajd said:

Strocky said:

///ajd said:

lol, strocky still thinks the totalitarian nazi type behaviour wasn't stacked hugely on the YES side. Deluded. Even tries to imply the police were complicit. That would be the single unified Police Scotland state forces?

The above is a matter of public record no matter how inconvenient it is to the narrative trying to be painted from those hundreds of miles away

Just google "george square better together" in case your memory is failing old bean

Try and think big picture Stroker. Set aside some mentalists in the square - who were systematically lying and fostering hate for months? And not just hooligans - the rot went right to the top, encouraging the hate filled cybers with no target too low (remember that wrongly slurred mother?)

Goebbels would have recognised much of it. And these are all facts, a matter of public record.

How much worse would it have been if the opposite result had happened.

[NoNeed]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...

[Axionknight]

Big Rod said:

Strocky said:

Re your SSP claiming family member, would a right wing no voter knock back something they could claim for on a point of principle? Principles doesn't feed the family

I have.

Because I didn't need it and figured it should be given to someone who could make more use of it.

So there!

I spent three months unemployed and didn't bother signing on because they wanted me to get to the dole office by 9am and I couldn't be arsed. T'was a great three months.

What about a left wing No voter?

[NoNeed]

Axionknight said:

Big Rod said:

Strocky said:

Re your SSP claiming family member, would a right wing no voter knock back something they could claim for on a point of principle? Principles doesn't feed the family

I have.

Because I didn't need it and figured it should be given to someone who could make more use of it.

So there!

I spent three months unemployed and didn't bother signing on because they wanted me to get to the dole office by 9am and I couldn't be arsed. T'was a great three months.

What about a left wing No voter?

Did a similar thing back in 2004 had ten weeks out for a break.

[Axionknight]

It was great - finished up at Christmas (laid off, self employed) and went back at the very end of March, I probably spent a bit more than I intended to during that time but I don't regret it at all, the gym, long walks, tinkering with the old Mini me and my Dad had been refurbishing, t'was probably the happiest and healthiest I've ever been.

PAH! Now I'm miserable

[Welshbeef]

NoNeed said:

Axionknight said:

Big Rod said:

Strocky said:

Re your SSP claiming family member, would a right wing no voter knock back something they could claim for on a point of principle? Principles doesn't feed the family

I have.

Because I didn't need it and figured it should be given to someone who could make more use of it.

So there!

I spent three months unemployed and didn't bother signing on because they wanted me to get to the dole office by 9am and I couldn't be arsed. T'was a great three months.

What about a left wing No voter?

Did a similar thing back in 2004 had ten weeks out for a break.

Only been "out of work" for 2 weeks upon finishing Uni - I didn't even consider dole instead I spent those 2 weeks dropping flyers around all the area I lived offering gardening servicies (lawn mowing strimming Everything). What happened 2 weeks later that effort paid off and I had continuous work throughout the summer season (until Oct) thereafter winter gar ending work replaced that (much bigger properties) and I also then landed supermarket work so was literally flat out every week.

This was purely a means to an end as I spent the evenings preparing for Graduate interviews /jobs which I landed by Easter. Instead I knew friends who ended up landing the Grad jobs similar time but instead of doing any work simply did fk all which isn't appealing for me midday getting up every day (being utter Pros on Xbox etc) laying on the beach most days too, getting mummy and daddy hand outs for beer.

You choose your own path but make your own luck.

[NoNeed]

Welshbeef said:

You choose your own path but make your own luck.

They'll be along in a minute to say that Westmonster only lets Scotland have bad luck

[Welshbeef]

NoNeed said:

Welshbeef said:

You choose your own path but make your own luck.

They'll be along in a minute to say that Westmonster only lets Scotland have bad luck

.

[Axionknight]

NoNeed said:

Welshbeef said:

You choose your own path but make your own luck.

They'll be along in a minute to say that Westmonster only lets Scotland have bad luck

I'm guessing the st weather here in Aberdeen today is all their fault too? My God it's f'in grim.

[///ajd]

Strocky said:

Re your SSP claiming family member, would a right wing no voter knock back something they could claim for on a point of principle?

It was made quite clear the family member was effectively a benefit fraud, however without even knowing him, Strocky the nationalist is jumping to the defence of such freeriding scrounging antics.

When asked whether they wanted the pound or euro, 45% of strockies friends said they'd stick with the giro*

• With acknowledgements to the originator of the joke.

[NoNeed]

///ajd said:

Strocky said:

Re your SSP claiming family member, would a right wing no voter knock back something they could claim for on a point of principle?

It was made quite clear the family member was effectively a benefit fraud, however without even knowing him, Strocky the nationalist is jumping to the defence of such freeriding scrounging antics.

When asked whether they wanted the pound or euro, 37% of strockies friends said they'd stick with the giro*

• With acknowledgements to the originator of the joke.

Fixed that for you.

[///ajd]

NoNeed said:

ixed that for you.

Its probably 100%, which is why he thinks "everyone" wants independence.
Even though they are all in the 37%, arguably with an IQ~37.

[Big Rod]

Axionknight said:

It was great - finished up at Christmas (laid off, self employed) and went back at the very end of March, I probably spent a bit more than I intended to during that time but I don't regret it at all, the gym, long walks, tinkering with the old Mini me and my Dad had been refurbishing, t'was probably the happiest and healthiest I've ever been.

PAH! Now I'm miserable

Actually, I forgot I had six weeks out last year between contracts. I didn't sign on either. To be honest, it was more because I didn't care to go through the utterly demoralising experience rather than benevolence.

It was a great 6 weeks too! I cleared up a bundle of little projects around the house that'd been getting pushed back indefinitely, went fishing and cycling, and got to spend some proper quality time with my family. Wish I could justify doing that every year.

[Axionknight]

Sounds fantastic

[Strocky]

r11co said:

I did.

Second link down.

Thanks for proving my point, No voting unionists ran amok that night culminating in 11 arrests (more arrests on the one night than the whole of the referendum campaign from either side) but it was only the YES side that engaged in acts of violence if the Jackanories on here where to be believed

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/glasgows-geor...
http://www.rt.com/uk/189284-scotland-glasgow-clash...

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/scottis...

You can't disassociate the ugly side of Unionist supporters just as much as I can't disassociate myself from the ugly side of YES

No matter how much it pains NO voters, you shared your bed with Right Wing scum, in fact Labour directly appealed to the Orange Order for votes and campaigned with a NF leader in Aberdeen

http://nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/scottish...

I'm sorry for going over old ground but when the same old rubbish keeps getting spouted by one or two of the usual suspects a balance has to be made