Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[barryrs]

BatleyBoy said:

From yesterdays Daily Telegraph...

Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.

The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".

Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.

Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote.

Despite the odds on "Yes" shortening last week, they have lengthened significantly in the last few days.

A No vote of that magnitude would go a long way to repairing any bad feeling IMO

[worsy]

Troubleatmill said:

My folks have asked for help to find them a home in England should the vote be a YES.

Budget is going to be bloody tight - but any pointers will be welcome.

If retired then there are plenty of lovely areas with very affordable housing. If I was biased I'd say Shropshire, but we do have a proliferation of Tory Scum MPs

As previous posters have said the North East, North West, Yorkshire all fit the profile. North and Mid Wales is also worth a look.

[BatleyBoy]

barryrs said:

BatleyBoy said:

From yesterdays Daily Telegraph...

Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.

The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".

Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.

Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote.

Despite the odds on "Yes" shortening last week, they have lengthened significantly in the last few days.

A No vote of that magnitude would go a long way to repairing any bad feeling IMO

I think they are suggsting there is a 79% likelihood of a No vote, rather than 79% of voters will vote no.

[supercampeao]

schmalex said:

Edinburger said:

IainT said:

It'd practically guarantee Yes as the outcome. A lot of people I've talked to now have a view along the lines of "If they [Scots] hate us [English] so much they can fk off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.

I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

I disagree. For a very vocal proportion of the population, it is ALL about hating the English and looking to "stick one" to the English.

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What proportion and what do you base that on? It is not my experience at all - from speaking to Scottish people I know who are leaning towards the Yes camp, none of them base their views on hatred of English people.

[anonymous-user]

barryrs said:

A No vote of that magnitude would go a long way to repairing any bad feeling IMO

True, but the likelihood of a result is not the same as the result itself.

[Wombat3]

barryrs said:

BatleyBoy said:

From yesterdays Daily Telegraph...

Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.

The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".

Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.

Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote.

Despite the odds on "Yes" shortening last week, they have lengthened significantly in the last few days.

A No vote of that magnitude would go a long way to repairing any bad feeling IMO

That's just the overall likelihood of the outcome of a No vote - it could still be a 51:49 no vote.

It will be a lot closer than 79:21 but, I think , might approach 60:40 . Even that would be regarded as a massive victory given recent polls.

[thismonkeyhere]

Silverbullet767 said:

thismonkeyhere said:

Ok, so I have just seen my first picture of Nicola Sturgeon.

Who looks exactly like Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

Salmond undeniably looks very like Rab C nesbitt himself.

Which leads me to ask:

Are we quite sure that this whole thing isn't just a spoof that has got out of hand?

Impossible, Nicola Sturgeon and Elaine C Smith were in the same room during one of the TV debates.

Nah, camera trickery, smoke & mirrors etc.

It will all be revealed as a big prank, and by Saturday we'll be back to dancing in the streets and loving one another.

Or something.

[schmalex]

supercampeao said:

schmalex said:

Edinburger said:

IainT said:

It'd practically guarantee Yes as the outcome. A lot of people I've talked to now have a view along the lines of "If they [Scots] hate us [English] so much they can fk off". Sadly the vicious and vociferous Yes campaign has massively damaged the relationship.

I know it's a nasty minority who are using this as an anti-English platform but I'm now at the point I'd rather see Scotland floated off somewhere. There's no way I want to see any further favours in Scotland's direction in the event of No and I want my politicians to bargain extremely hard in the event of Yes.

Bloody hell.

It's the eve of the referendum and people on here STILL think it's all about hatred of the English.

Read my words - for the overwhelming majority in Scotland thus is NOT about hating the English.

Words fail me.

I disagree. For a very vocal proportion of the population, it is ALL about hating the English and looking to "stick one" to the English.

.

What proportion and what do you base that on? It is not my experience at all - from speaking to Scottish people who are leaning towards the Yes camp, none of them base their views on hatred of English people.

Just some press excerpts...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745565/Sa...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-inde...

One could go on and on. I'm sure it's not the case for a large proportion of Scotland, but I have personal experience of bigotry, bordering upon outright hatred from when I lived in the Highlands during the late '70's simply because we were English and my Father didn't work for "the Forestry".

[Moonhawk]

Wombat3 said:

Even that would be regarded as a massive victory given recent polls.

Even better - lets hope it's regarded as a kick in the balls and a huge embarrassment for the nationalist campaigners.

I'd like to see a 2/3rds majority in favour of No - it would show people in rUK that actually - Scots do on the whole value the union and want to stay. It would help heal any wounds that have been opened due to this debacle. It would also put a massive stake through the heart of Scottish nationalism for decades.

Unfortunately - I doubt it will be so decisive.

[Piersman2]

Big Rod said:

Piersman2 said:

There are expenses associated with moving out of iScotland, you'll have to consider the cost of starting to buy sun tan lotion for starters, but can maybe offset that against macs and unbrellas.

It's ok, I already have the necessary boiler suits and welder's helmets.

Piersman2 said:

I personally would welcome anyone from iScotland moving to rUK, they would be the reasonable ones I've mentioned before, not the chippies*.

Thank you, and I promise not to be a burden, I'm completely self sufficient and the majority of my clients have been 'foreign' so I effectively import money.

Piersman2 said:

*Chippies refers to those Scots with the big anti-english chip on each shoulder.

Up here, that's called 'well balanced'!

Indeed, I remember the phrase well from my time up there!

"No, no, he's well balanced that guy, he's got a chip on both shoulders"

[grand cherokee]

I've personally had enough

Scotland go your own way - I've no longer any assets in Scotland - my salmon fishing interests are now in Norway/Iceland

my friend in Perthshire has just had a brick thrown through her pub window because she had a no vote poster in the window

Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 17th September 14:41

[mcdjl]

barryrs said:

A No vote of that magnitude would go a long way to repairing any bad feeling IMO

See Salmond and Sturgeon explode in ranty red faced fit would do a good job of helping too. Or just give us a good laugh.

[Silverbullet767]

grand cherokee said:

my friend in Perthshire has just had a brick thrown through her pub window because she had a no vote poster in the window

Get the story to the press.

[V88Dicky]

Troubleatmill said:

My folks have asked for help to find them a home in England should the vote be a YES.

Budget is going to be bloody tight - but any pointers will be welcome.

Dunno what the budget is, but here's a couple of example near to me. Edge of town, rolling countryside a couple of hundred yards away, quiet, well thought of estates and cul-de-sacs;

3 bed detached for £155k (an offer over 145 will probably secure);

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/fulls...


Or a bigger, 4 bed detached for under £200k;

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/fulls...

There's loads more, something for all budgets.

Come on down!

[Einion Yrth]

Silverbullet767 said:

grand cherokee said:

my friend in Perthshire has just had a brick thrown through her pub window because she had a no vote poster in the window

Get the story to the press.

Kristallnacht. Lovely.

[Timsta]

Silverbullet767 said:

grand cherokee said:

my friend in Perthshire has just had a brick thrown through her pub window because she had a no vote poster in the window

Get the story to the press.

Yep, get her to draw attention to the fact that she's already been targeted and her leanings. I can't see that going wrong at all.

[grand cherokee]

Silverbullet767 said:

Get the story to the press.

the police are not interested as they have been told it was 'kids' playing about

they were locals pissed on cheap 'rocket fuel'

anyway, pub/hotel now on the market and now closed to all -so no pissed up SNP tts can get refuelled

[Rovinghawk]

Piersman2 said:

Indeed, I remember the phrase well from my time up there!

"No, no, he's well balanced that guy, he's got a chip on both shoulders"

"Level headed- he dribbles out of both sides of his mouth!"

[mrpurple]

Sorry to say this but I think, regardless of the outcome, there are going to be "issues" in Scotland post the referendum result.

[Elroy Blue]

Had the day off today and I've had BBC news 24 on in the background. There seems to be an awful lot of coverage of the Yes campaign, with little from the other side. Are they running scared of the accusations about Nick Robinson.