Clarkson: Racist
Discussion
Pixelpeep said:
DonkeyApple said:
Pixelpeep said:
Wow - and what exactly are you showing by making assumptions on my education ?
Er, contempt. I'll go off and not be offended by your opinion. You know, lead by example
Just watching a new show on the bbc iplayer
It would seem the BBC like a bit of race humour
Skip to 13:50 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01y4g7h/peop...
Funny show though.
It would seem the BBC like a bit of race humour
Skip to 13:50 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01y4g7h/peop...
Funny show though.
DonkeyApple said:
Pixelpeep said:
DonkeyApple said:
Pixelpeep said:
Wow - and what exactly are you showing by making assumptions on my education ?
Er, contempt. I'll go off and not be offended by your opinion. You know, lead by example
either way, I'm still not offended. I hope you and your right to have an opinion have a great day
hairykrishna said:
This has got a bit heated, hasn't it? Personally I'm fine using the word 
in context, but that context is extremely limited. Basically saying something like "Clarkson got into trouble for using the word in a rhyme, in a never broadcast out take, even though he never actually said it" or "Chris Rock used to do a bit about s vs black people" is fine. It's just a word. We're not 5 year olds, we don't have to say 'n word'.
I would suggest that even the sentences you have used should be reserved for situations where you are well aware of what the others in that conversation think. in context, but that context is extremely limited. Basically saying something like "Clarkson got into trouble for using the word in a rhyme, in a never broadcast out take, even though he never actually said it" or "Chris Rock used to do a bit about s vs black people" is fine. It's just a word. We're not 5 year olds, we don't have to say 'n word'. I find
s V blacks to be very funny but, given that even Rock doesnt do it because it just gave people an excuse to say , I'd be VERY unlikely to use that title in casual conversation.Interesting things words & politician's reactions to them.
Clarkson says the bad word and Harriet Harman is screaming from the rooftops that he should be sacked.
Austin Mitchell (one of her own MPs.) calls a company a bunch of rapists and she says.............
Well, not a lot really.
Hypocrite. That's a good word. But I can think of a lot better for Ms Harman.
Maybe she's trying not to cause a fuss with the backbenchers due to her upcoming leadership bid if Beaker gets them destroyed at the Euro's.
Clarkson says the bad word and Harriet Harman is screaming from the rooftops that he should be sacked.
Austin Mitchell (one of her own MPs.) calls a company a bunch of rapists and she says.............
Well, not a lot really.
Hypocrite. That's a good word. But I can think of a lot better for Ms Harman.
Maybe she's trying not to cause a fuss with the backbenchers due to her upcoming leadership bid if Beaker gets them destroyed at the Euro's.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Interesting things words & politician's reactions to them.
Clarkson says the bad word and Harriet Harman is screaming from the rooftops that he should be sacked.
Austin Mitchell (one of her own MPs.) calls a company a bunch of rapists and she says.............
Well, not a lot really.
Hypocrite. That's a good word. But I can think of a lot better for Ms Harman.
Maybe she's trying not to cause a fuss with the backbenchers due to her upcoming leadership bid if Beaker gets them destroyed at the Euro's.
The word rape has a number of definitions, one being 'taking sexually by force' another being 'an act of plunder' or 'despoliation'. Hence the title of Pope's poem 'The Rape of the Lock" which wasn't about someone shagging a toupee but about them taking a lock of hair without permission.Clarkson says the bad word and Harriet Harman is screaming from the rooftops that he should be sacked.
Austin Mitchell (one of her own MPs.) calls a company a bunch of rapists and she says.............
Well, not a lot really.
Hypocrite. That's a good word. But I can think of a lot better for Ms Harman.
Maybe she's trying not to cause a fuss with the backbenchers due to her upcoming leadership bid if Beaker gets them destroyed at the Euro's.
To describe Pfizer's proposed actions as 'rape' is perfectly acceptable.
But don't let that stop you making a double thickness tinfoil hat, you'll be needing it anyway...
The Hypno-Toad said:
Interesting things words & politician's reactions to them.
Clarkson says the bad word and Harriet Harman is screaming from the rooftops that he should be sacked.
Austin Mitchell (one of her own MPs.) calls a company a bunch of rapists and she says.............
Well, not a lot really.
Hypocrite. That's a good word. But I can think of a lot better for Ms Harman.
Maybe she's trying not to cause a fuss with the backbenchers due to her upcoming leadership bid if Beaker gets them destroyed at the Euro's.
I don't think Mitchell meant that the Americans were going to force the employees of AZ into sex against their wills.Clarkson says the bad word and Harriet Harman is screaming from the rooftops that he should be sacked.
Austin Mitchell (one of her own MPs.) calls a company a bunch of rapists and she says.............
Well, not a lot really.
Hypocrite. That's a good word. But I can think of a lot better for Ms Harman.
Maybe she's trying not to cause a fuss with the backbenchers due to her upcoming leadership bid if Beaker gets them destroyed at the Euro's.
Mitchell clearly meant this definition:
2. The wanton destruction or spoiling of a place:
the rape of the countryside
Still, it won't stop the "political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaad!!!!!" brigade from crying foul between froths.
zygalski said:
I don't think Mitchell meant that the Americans were going to force the employees of AZ into sex against their wills.
Mitchell clearly meant this definition:
2. The wanton destruction or spoiling of a place:
the rape of the countryside
Still, it won't stop the "political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaad!!!!!" brigade from crying foul between froths.
Equally JC didn't literally mean 'black people are a bad thing' and wouldn't have meant it even if he had included the word in the rhyme.Mitchell clearly meant this definition:
2. The wanton destruction or spoiling of a place:
the rape of the countryside
Still, it won't stop the "political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaad!!!!!" brigade from crying foul between froths.
Dr Jekyll said:
Equally JC didn't literally mean 'black people are a bad thing' and wouldn't have meant it even if he had included the word in the rhyme.
No, he didn't mean that, but the word "" was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people. The word "rape" has always had several very different meanings, none of which are derogatory.
longblackcoat said:
No, he didn't mean that, but the word "" was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people.
Err no, it was just another word for 'Negro', basically a phonetic spelling of the German word for Negro. It didn't initially have any derogatory meaning, but it became used as an insult and was replaced by 'coloured', which has also become derogatory since. " was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people. Pixelpeep said:
longblackcoat said:
the word "" was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people.
No it wasn't - It may have become that but its origins were from the Latin word niger, meaning Black. " was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people. " seems to be a phonetic spelling of the White Southern mispronunciation of negro, and by the 1800s the term was firmly established as a derogatory one.longblackcoat said:
Pixelpeep said:
longblackcoat said:
the word "" was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people.
No it wasn't - It may have become that but its origins were from the Latin word niger, meaning Black. " was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people. " seems to be a phonetic spelling of the White Southern mispronunciation of negro, and by the 1800s the term was firmly established as a derogatory one.FredClogs said:
Pixelpeep said:
So if we are clear the word (Regardless of origins) can be used as a derogatory term, why can't we also be clear that it could just be used as its original intended descriptor - like Sick for vomit instead of sick for 'cool'
Latin is a dead language...hth
Tiggsy said:
hairykrishna said:
This has got a bit heated, hasn't it? Personally I'm fine using the word in context, but that context is extremely limited. Basically saying something like "Clarkson got into trouble for using the word in a rhyme, in a never broadcast out take, even though he never actually said it" or "Chris Rock used to do a bit about s vs black people" is fine. It's just a word. We're not 5 year olds, we don't have to say 'n word'.
I would suggest that even the sentences you have used should be reserved for situations where you are well aware of what the others in that conversation think. in context, but that context is extremely limited. Basically saying something like "Clarkson got into trouble for using the word in a rhyme, in a never broadcast out take, even though he never actually said it" or "Chris Rock used to do a bit about s vs black people" is fine. It's just a word. We're not 5 year olds, we don't have to say 'n word'. I find
s V blacks to be very funny but, given that even Rock doesnt do it because it just gave people an excuse to say , I'd be VERY unlikely to use that title in casual conversation.That's like reading a passage from a book at a seminar and censoring words that might be troublesome - they aren't your words so it can't be offensive, surely. There is surely no way, that hearing the word "
" in isolation, can cause offence.What would happen in a court if someone was reporting a statement verbatim? Do they say "Mr Jones is alleged to have called him 'a f
king ' and went on to..."?Or do lawyers have to say "mr jones is alleged to have called him an effing n-word"? Ridiculous if the latter!
Disastrous said:
That's really bizarre, IMO.
That's like reading a passage from a book at a seminar and censoring words that might be troublesome - they aren't your words so it can't be offensive, surely. There is surely no way, that hearing the word "" in isolation, can cause offence.
What would happen in a court if someone was reporting a statement verbatim? Do they say "Mr Jones is alleged to have called him 'a fking ' and went on to..."?
Or do lawyers have to say "mr jones is alleged to have called him an effing n-word"? Ridiculous if the latter!
Yes, with reference to the Louis CK bit I really would prefer it if people stopped saying "the n-word" and just said the n word if that's what they want to say, because by saying "the n-word" you're just making me think the n-word and I don't want to think that.That's like reading a passage from a book at a seminar and censoring words that might be troublesome - they aren't your words so it can't be offensive, surely. There is surely no way, that hearing the word "
" in isolation, can cause offence.What would happen in a court if someone was reporting a statement verbatim? Do they say "Mr Jones is alleged to have called him 'a f
king ' and went on to..."?Or do lawyers have to say "mr jones is alleged to have called him an effing n-word"? Ridiculous if the latter!
Pixelpeep said:
longblackcoat said:
Pixelpeep said:
longblackcoat said:
the word "" was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people.
No it wasn't - It may have become that but its origins were from the Latin word niger, meaning Black. " was invented by white people as a derogatory term for black people. " seems to be a phonetic spelling of the White Southern mispronunciation of negro, and by the 1800s the term was firmly established as a derogatory one.' has only ever been used as a derogatory term by whites against blacks - a descriptor of the the hatred and disgust directed toward black Africans/African Americans. Historically, '' defined/limited/made fun of/ridiculed all blacks. It was a term of exclusion, a verbal reason for discrimination. So I can't see any situation where I, as a white person, would ever feel comfortable using that word. And I could entirely understand a black person being incredibly angry were I to use it.
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