Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[wc98]

steveT350C said:

"Europe is launching a major diplomatic push for an ambitious deal on global warming, mobilising A-list celebrities and tens of thousands of diplomats to exert “maximum pressure” on key countries in international climate negotiations.

The EU plan, endorsed by ministers on Monday in Brussels, will see 90,000 diplomats in over 3,000 missions lobbying to win new pledges on carbon cuts from countries ahead of a crunch UN climate summit in Paris this December."

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/20...

maybe a call to the guinness book of records is in order,for the worlds largest appeal to authority

[Mr GrimNasty]

So TKF, you know that figure, the 97% one, no not that fabricated consensus figure achieved by dishonestly misrepresenting research conclusions, the one where 97% of all climate models agree that the observations are wrong!

You'd think 12,000 of the world's best scientists could actually produce something that was credible wouldn't you.

[wc98]

TKF said:

The one where you and the other deniers have spent 3 volumes trying desperately to persuade anyone still listening that tens of thousands of scientists and governments are all in on "it" together and you've got all the secret real data behind the global conspiracy.

Thank goodness as the self-appointed expert you're here to open our eyes to it all.

indeed, imagine where we would be now if no one had ever questioned this complete and utter agenda driven ste . half the country covered in useless fking wind turbines,real investment in business all diverted to pie in the sky "green technologies" (which are usually anything but) and the only thing to talk about on forums like this would be the colour of your electric appliance,sorry car.

yep,i am really glad there are people like turbobloke around .

[TKF]

Uh-oh. Wagons circling.

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

Uh-oh. Wagons circling.

not really, no.

makes zero odds how many people tell you something if said something is clearly b0ll0cks.

you only have to look at how many idiot's vote Labour to understand that!

[mybrainhurts]

TKF said:

Uh-oh. Wagons circling.

That would mean you were some kind of credible threat to the truth. So, no.

[LongQ]

Beati Dogu said:

1,700 Private Jets are headed to Davos for the World Economic Forum.

Among the things up for discussion: global warming. Al Gore will be there of course.

http://www.newsweek.com/1700-private-jets-descend-...

That must make it one of the busiest airports of the week.

I assume there is not enough parking locally so the jets are flying in, flying out .... then in again and out.

2 CO2s for the price of 1.

Such upstanding examples of the 'uman race to hire these baubles.

[plunker]

Blib said:

TKF. why does nasa satellite data show that the planet hasn't warmed for over fifteen years?

Really?


Since the start of that period the long term trend since 1978 increases well into the 21st century and the period with the steepest slope is 1979 to 2010:



http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/uah/from:1978/to...

Edited by plunker on Wednesday 21st January 20:03

[4v6]

TKF said:

The one where you and the other deniers

Global warming uber faithful in " denier" slur shock.

Not heard that one before, can you say it again pretty please?

[NWTony]

plunker said:

Really?


Since the start of that period the long term trend since 1978 increases well into the 21st century and the period with the steepest slope is 1979 to 2010:



http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/uah/from:1978/to...

Edited by plunker on Wednesday 21st January 20:03

That's an astonishing answer to a qustion not asked! I believe the question stated the last 15 years, so start with now and trend backwards for 15 years.

[turbobloke]

mybrainhurts said:

TKF said:

Uh-oh. Wagons circling.

That would mean you were some kind of credible threat to the truth. So, no.

If only the recycled content on offer today wasn't recycled.

Has anyone not lost count of the number of times it's been faithfully posted / reposted and serially dismantled.

[Jasandjules]

This is a website where the average poster has a greater than average IQ.

Accordingly, we tend not to believe in Global Warming. Which had to be renamed Climate Change due to no warming...

And today, a miracle - snow. A thing of the past.....

[turbobloke]

4v6 said:

TKF said:

The one where you and the other deniers

Global warming uber faithful in " denier" slur shock.

Not heard that one before, can you say it again pretty please?

Did we miss the call to arms? Anyone would think there's a carbon dioxide fest planned for the end of this year with millionaires flying in from all over the planet to support non-flying localism.

Ramping for The Cause will get worse by November, buckle up for a hefty dose of the usual empty rhetoric, hosiery smears, and no visible causal human signal in global climate data.

[turbobloke]

TKF said:

deniers

Deniers what does it mean?

[Blib]

plunker said:

Really?

Really.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/02/its-official...

Article said:

The RSS monthly satellite global temperature anomaly for September 2014 is in, and the Great Pause is now two months longer than it was last month. Would this year’s el Niño bite soon enough to stop the psychologically-significant 18-year threshold from being crossed? The official answer is No.

Globally, September was scarcely warmer than August, which was itself some distance below the 18-year trend-line. Therefore, taking the least-squares linear-regression trend on the RSS satellite monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies, there has now been no global warming for 18 years 1 month.

Here's some graphs to counter your graphs.

article][i said:

RSS monthly global mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies (dark blue) and trend (thick bright blue line), September 1996 to September 2014, showing no trend for 18 years 1 month.

The hiatus period of 18 years 1 month, or 217 months, is the farthest back one can go in the RSS satellite temperature record and still show a sub-zero trend.[/i]

article said:

Output of 33 IPCC models (turquoise) compared with measured RSS global temperature change (black), 1979-2014. The transient coolings caused by the volcanic eruptions of Chichón (1983) and Pinatubo (1991) are shown, as is the spike in warming caused by the great el Niño of 1998.

[turbobloke]

NWTony said:

plunker said:

Really?


Since the start of that period the long term trend since 1978 increases well into the 21st century and the period with the steepest slope is 1979 to 2010:



http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/uah/from:1978/to...

That's an astonishing answer to a qustion not asked! I believe the question stated the last 15 years, so start with now and trend backwards for 15 years.

Precisely, but can't you see the causality to humans staring you in the face?

Nor can anyone else, it doesn't exist. Any trend is meaningless without established causality. However 15+ (now over 19 years, McKitrick analysis) is meaningful as it's approaching the point where models have a zero percent offer.

FFS you'd think by now we'd get something actually relevant to argue against, then again there isn't anything. Oh dear never mind what a pity, etc.

[Ali G]

Jasandjules said:

This is a website where the average poster has a greater than average IQ.

Accordingly, we tend not to believe in Global Warming.

A presumption based upon an assertion?

How very dare you, sir.

[mondeoman]

plunker said:

Blib said:

TKF. why does nasa satellite data show that the planet hasn't warmed for over fifteen years?

Really?


Since the start of that period the long term trend since 1978 increases well into the 21st century and the period with the steepest slope is 1979 to 2010:



http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/uah/from:1978/to...

Edited by plunker on Wednesday 21st January 20:03

It was flat, a bit of an uplift, then its been flat again..
Whats next?

[perdu]

Got to admit I prefer my deniers in stockings but tights works too



Still politics right?

[turbobloke]

perdu said:

Got to admit I prefer my deniers in stockings but tights works too



Still politics right?

Of course, from a fine lineage: see for example "Silk Stockings and Ballot Boxes, Women and Politics in New Orleans 1920-1963" by Pamela Tyler.