Council tax rises get go-ahead

[sidicks]

crankedup said:

Enough of this thread hijack, this is the Council tax discussion not pensions of its employees who work for Councils.

So what the Council spends its tax on isn’t relevant in a thread about council tax spending?

Hmm...

[Moonhawk]

Countdown said:

Regardless, the thr. IIRC 1 in 5 FTSE100 companies still provide them

To new members - I doubt that. They may be running legacy schemes for people already signed up - but i’d be surprised if 1 in 5 still allowed new entrants to such schemes.

I found a list online of the 10 companies with the highest DB service cost. I worked for two of those 10 companies well over 10 years ago and even back then, both had stopped offering such a pension scheme to new entrants.

[crankedup]

sidicks said:

crankedup said:

Enough of this thread hijack, this is the Council tax discussion not pensions of its employees who work for Councils.

So what the Council spends its tax on isn’t relevant in a thread about council tax spending?

Hmm...

Correct, it’s a thread that should be discussing the merits of a further increase, viability of current system. It is not about spending, rather it is the raising of.

[crankedup]

Rovinghawk said:

crankedup said:

Enough of this thread hijack, this is the Council tax discussion not pensions of its employees who work for Councils.

IMO too much council tax goes towards excessive pay, perks & pensions for council employees.

Does that tie it up suitably for you, sir?

Nope, please see post answer to sidicks.

[crankedup]

Moonhawk said:

Countdown said:

Regardless, the thr. IIRC 1 in 5 FTSE100 companies still provide them

To new members - I doubt that. They may be running legacy schemes for people already signed up - but i’d be surprised if 1 in 5 still allowed new entrants to such schemes.

I found a list online of the 10 companies with the highest DB service cost. I worked for two of those 10 companies well over 10 years ago and even back then, both had stopped offering such a pension scheme to new entrants.

Yes I believe that may be the case, why not open a thread.

[sidicks]

crankedup said:

Correct, it’s a thread that should be discussing the merits of a further increase, viability of current system. It is not about spending, rather it is the raising of.

So the viability of the system doesn’t take into account what the money is spent on?

[crankedup]

sidicks said:

crankedup said:

Enough of this thread hijack, this is the Council tax discussion not pensions of its employees who work for Councils.

So what the Council spends its tax on isn’t relevant in a thread about council tax spending?

Hmm...

I apologise to all concerned for interrupting the debate, what I was thinking about I don’t know.
Of course expenditure is associated with the process and an interesting section of the whole discussion.
Where did I leave my shell.

[Rovinghawk]

crankedup said:

It is not about spending, rather it is the raising of.

Are the two not inextricably linked? (Hint: they are)

[crankedup]

Rovinghawk said:

crankedup said:

It is not about spending, rather it is the raising of.

Are the two not inextricably linked? (Hint: they are)

Be fair I have apologised already for my brain fade,

[BlackLabel]

Council tax set to rise as part of a funding boost for the police.


“Sky News understands that Home Secretary Sajid Javid has cut a deal with Chancellor Philip Hammond and James Brokenshire, the communities secretary, to double the amount that local authorities can add to council tax bills for policing.

It is thought that ministers have provisionally agreed to allow local authorities to increase the precept charge on council tax bills from £1 a month to £2 a month from April 2019 - or £12 to £24 annually.”

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-england-and-w...

[Saleen836]

BlackLabel said:

Council tax set to rise as part of a funding boost for the police.


“Sky News understands that Home Secretary Sajid Javid has cut a deal with Chancellor Philip Hammond and James Brokenshire, the communities secretary, to double the amount that local authorities can add to council tax bills for policing.

It is thought that ministers have provisionally agreed to allow local authorities to increase the precept charge on council tax bills from £1 a month to £2 a month from April 2019 - or £12 to £24 annually.”

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-england-and-w...

I have no problem with the increase IF it means more police on the streets!

[Ian Geary]

BlackLabel said:

Council tax set to rise as part of a funding boost for the police.


“Sky News understands that Home Secretary Sajid Javid has cut a deal with Chancellor Philip Hammond and James Brokenshire, the communities secretary, to double the amount that local authorities can add to council tax bills for policing.

It is thought that ministers have provisionally agreed to allow local authorities to increase the precept charge on council tax bills from £1 a month to £2 a month from April 2019 - or £12 to £24 annually.”

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-england-and-w...

But..but...but

Why don't the police just stop giving retired officers a decent pension?

That's obviously* the solution to dealing with increased demands on public sector budgets.

• based solely on responses contained within this thread. Does not include real life.

[CoolHands]

We need more police & crime commissioners and other good stuff

[crankedup]

Ian Geary said:

BlackLabel said:

Council tax set to rise as part of a funding boost for the police.


“Sky News understands that Home Secretary Sajid Javid has cut a deal with Chancellor Philip Hammond and James Brokenshire, the communities secretary, to double the amount that local authorities can add to council tax bills for policing.

It is thought that ministers have provisionally agreed to allow local authorities to increase the precept charge on council tax bills from £1 a month to £2 a month from April 2019 - or £12 to £24 annually.”

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-england-and-w...

But..but...but

Why don't the police just stop giving retired officers a decent pension?

That's obviously* the solution to dealing with increased demands on public sector budgets.

• based solely on responses contained within this thread. Does not include real life.

why not go the full fat and employ G4s and sack the PS.We get what we pay for after all?

[Tlandcruiser]

Should council tax not be reflected by occupancy rates of the property, for example a property occupied by a couple in band E pay the same amount as a family of five.

[Countdown]

crankedup said:

why not go the full fat and employ G4s and sack the PS.We get what we pay for after all?

A lot of PS stuff has already been outsourced to the likes of Capita, Interserve, Mitie, and G4S. They're doing a stellar job from what I can see.....

[98elise]

Tlandcruiser said:

Should council tax not be reflected by occupancy rates of the property, for example a property occupied by a couple in band E pay the same amount as a family of five.

They could call it the poll tax

[funkyrobot]

The floodgates opened a few years ago when increases were made in the name of care costs.

I wouldn't mind paying for an increase if it meant more police. I doubt it will work like that though. The extra money will just be pissed away like everything else.

Things have been cut in the name of saving money, but council tax has already increased. Quite a good way to do it. Cut things, increase taxes then say you need to pay even more to get the services back.

I read an article the other day stating our foreign aid budget is the highest it's ever been now. Why not take a bit out of that?

[Countdown]

funkyrobot said:

The floodgates opened a few years ago when increases were made in the name of care costs.

That might be because care costs have increased. Possibly if families looked after their own aged parents Councils (and other taxpayers) wouldn't have to....

[markcoznottz]

funkyrobot said:

The floodgates opened a few years ago when increases were made in the name of care costs.

I wouldn't mind paying for an increase if it meant more police. I doubt it will work like that though. The extra money will just be pissed away like everything else.

Things have been cut in the name of saving money, but council tax has already increased. Quite a good way to do it. Cut things, increase taxes then say you need to pay even more to get the services back.

I read an article the other day stating our foreign aid budget is the highest it's ever been now. Why not take a bit out of that?

Ooh you can't say that. Agree it's the thin end of the wedge though. I can't see people being able to stand year on above inflation increases. What was the point of the crime commissioners for example?.