Notting Hill Carnival crime fest.
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SkrrSkrr said:
rallycross said:
Having been there a few times would confirm it has a high proportion of scum bags present!
I'm going for the my firt time on Monday, how can you tell they're scumbags? Carl_Manchester said:
SkrrSkrr said:
rallycross said:
Having been there a few times would confirm it has a high proportion of scum bags present!
I'm going for the my firt time on Monday, how can you tell they're scumbags? Smiler. said:
I saw that documentary on this a year or so ago. The bit that surprised me was those poor buggers whose gardens were used as as toilets.
I did wonder if that PH'er got his nickname from that - Poo at Paul's
Yep, used as toilets, drug recharging stations and sex rooms! All in the minority of course but it does suggest that these "types" are present.I did wonder if that PH'er got his nickname from that - Poo at Paul's
IanH755 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
SkrrSkrr said:
rallycross said:
Having been there a few times would confirm it has a high proportion of scum bags present!
I'm going for the my firt time on Monday, how can you tell they're scumbags? I didn't really enjoy it myself. I can see that the majority are there just to have fun and that's it.
It seems mostly like a competition to see who can get the loudest sound system to drown out everyone else's.
My only regrets were 1) some b
d dented my MG trying to park in a space that was far too small and in a private parking area where they had no right to be in the first place; 2) I didn't try any of the food stalls - probably because I was still quite angry about the car, and the noise was too much.I wouldn't tell anyone they shouldn't go, but I have never returned.
I don't see how arresting drug dealers or people in possession of illegal weapons can be racist, but someone choosing to spin it that way doesn't surprise me.
Smiler. said:
I saw that documentary on this a year or so ago. The bit that surprised me was those poor buggers whose gardens were used as as toilets.
I did wonder if that PH'er got his nickname from that - Poo at Paul's
I think you refer to this one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQm6djAQhR0 Looks kinda odd to see people boarding up homes and moving out. I did wonder if that PH'er got his nickname from that - Poo at Paul's
The singer trying to suggest racism in another unhelpful idiot people take seriously for some reason.
It is hardly surprising that an event taking place in the street outside people's houses attracts more police attention than one in a field behind security fencing and no immediate neighbours, even if the events were in all other respects identical.
It also seems to have escaped our singing friend's attention that most of the victims of the type of crime which the police are trying to disrupt are young black guys. Too busy trying to promote his own image and career to worry about them perhaps.
It also seems to have escaped our singing friend's attention that most of the victims of the type of crime which the police are trying to disrupt are young black guys. Too busy trying to promote his own image and career to worry about them perhaps.
There's a similar thread running in SP+L. I can't verify the facts, but this quote gives a summary of last year:
ED209 said:
Last year 43 cops injured and taken to hospital, 450 total arrests, 90 of them for possession of knives/blades, 169 for drugs, 40 for public order offences, 25 for assaulting police officers. Four separate knife attacks on the Sunday alone.
Cold said:
Meanwhile, a newly famous pop star has used his fame to question why these raids took place. Racist innit, didn't happen before Glastonbury.
He didn't question why the raids took place, he questioned what the link was between Carnival in North London and a kilo of uncut heroin being seized in South London.He probably could have done it in a better way though.
mackay45 said:
Cold said:
Meanwhile, a newly famous pop star has used his fame to question why these raids took place. Racist innit, didn't happen before Glastonbury.
He didn't question why the raids took place, he questioned what the link was between Carnival in North London and a kilo of uncut heroin being seized in South London.He probably could have done it in a better way though.
He could have commented on that- perhaps the targets were badly chosen (seems unlikely given the heroin find), perhaps he thinks heroin should be legal.
But no, that would be too much trouble and in any case might not have served his pre existing anti police views or desire to put his picture in the papers.
He is just a hate stirrer.
mac96 said:
mackay45 said:
Cold said:
Meanwhile, a newly famous pop star has used his fame to question why these raids took place. Racist innit, didn't happen before Glastonbury.
He didn't question why the raids took place, he questioned what the link was between Carnival in North London and a kilo of uncut heroin being seized in South London.He probably could have done it in a better way though.
He could have commented on that- perhaps the targets were badly chosen (seems unlikely given the heroin find), perhaps he thinks heroin should be legal.
But no, that would be too much trouble and in any case might not have served his pre existing anti police views or desire to put his picture in the papers.
He is just a hate stirrer.
The tweet referred to by the Metro, Guardian etc. was in my opinion just him picking the Met up on was the fact they were perhaps tenuously linking a big drug bust to Carnival. I think you're reading too deep if you think it gives any indication as to his views as to whether heroin should be legal or not?
Re "He is just a hate stirrer", here's some more of his hate stirring antics for you: http://www.capitalxtra.com/artists/stormzy/news/ap...
For the record, I like Stormzy/his music (if you couldn't tell already), don't do heroin, have never been to Carnival and won't be going this year either as 5 days a week in London for work is plenty for me.
mackay45 said:
mac96 said:
mackay45 said:
Cold said:
Meanwhile, a newly famous pop star has used his fame to question why these raids took place. Racist innit, didn't happen before Glastonbury.
He didn't question why the raids took place, he questioned what the link was between Carnival in North London and a kilo of uncut heroin being seized in South London.He probably could have done it in a better way though.
He could have commented on that- perhaps the targets were badly chosen (seems unlikely given the heroin find), perhaps he thinks heroin should be legal.
But no, that would be too much trouble and in any case might not have served his pre existing anti police views or desire to put his picture in the papers.
He is just a hate stirrer.
The tweet referred to by the Metro, Guardian etc. was in my opinion just him picking the Met up on was the fact they were perhaps tenuously linking a big drug bust to Carnival. I think you're reading too deep if you think it gives any indication as to his views as to whether heroin should be legal or not?
Re "He is just a hate stirrer", here's some more of his hate stirring antics for you: http://www.capitalxtra.com/artists/stormzy/news/ap...
For the record, I like Stormzy/his music (if you couldn't tell already), don't do heroin, have never been to Carnival and won't be going this year either as 5 days a week in London for work is plenty for me.
It was perhaps unfair for me to say that he was 'just' a hate stirrer, but for me that fits these events.
I also have no idea on his views about legalising heroin- my point was only that you could validly debate the police tactics around accurate targeting, or whether you believe the targeted behaviour should be criminal, but not on the basis that south London was, as suggested by Stormzy, too far from north London for the police raid to have a connection with Carnival.
I'll add- I think it would be a huge shame if Carnival had to end, or got shunted into a park. The paradox is, that police attempts to disrupt criminals before the get there actually helps to keep it going, and is not, as some seem to suggest, an attack on the event at all.
mac96 said:
I have no problem with his music one way other!
It was perhaps unfair for me to say that he was 'just' a hate stirrer, but for me that fits these events.
I also have no idea on his views about legalising heroin- my point was only that you could validly debate the police tactics around accurate targeting, or whether you believe the targeted behaviour should be criminal, but not on the basis that south London was, as suggested by Stormzy, too far from north London for the police raid to have a connection with Carnival.
I'll add- I think it would be a huge shame if Carnival had to end, or got shunted into a park. The paradox is, that police attempts to disrupt criminals before the get there actually helps to keep it going, and is not, as some seem to suggest, an attack on the event at all.
All fair points!It was perhaps unfair for me to say that he was 'just' a hate stirrer, but for me that fits these events.
I also have no idea on his views about legalising heroin- my point was only that you could validly debate the police tactics around accurate targeting, or whether you believe the targeted behaviour should be criminal, but not on the basis that south London was, as suggested by Stormzy, too far from north London for the police raid to have a connection with Carnival.
I'll add- I think it would be a huge shame if Carnival had to end, or got shunted into a park. The paradox is, that police attempts to disrupt criminals before the get there actually helps to keep it going, and is not, as some seem to suggest, an attack on the event at all.
As a random aside there was a series called "The Met: Policing London" on the BBC recently and it gave a great insight into some of the issues they have to deal with! Wouldn't like to be a copper in a dodgy part of London on the best of days, let alone Carnival.
SkrrSkrr said:
I'm going for the my firt time on Monday, how can you tell they're scumbags?
show who's best.Dealers travel from the midlands to try their luck as well.
The most popular questions asked of police there are.
1 Is this it.
2 Where are the toilets.
3 How do i get away.
If you do go.
The 1st day is kids day,
some floats then dj's on lorries with junior gang members affiliated to the dj following.
Day 2 is the chance for bigger gangs from all over london to show who's boss.
Dont take any more money then you need dont wear jewelry or a watch, dont take a decent phone.
Any women with you should wear trousers and avoid wearing skirts or carrying hand bags.
Its shxt the people who live there spend a fortune boarding their houses up. Some have hoses trained on the front of their houses to deter people from using gardens/doorways as toilets.
Raygun said:
baldy1926 said:
Its shxt the people who live there spend a fortune boarding their houses up.
If it's such an inconvenience for them why did they buy a place there?1 bed property - approx. 500 yds from NHG station, a shade just under £2M.
Taking this into account, perhaps more money than sense?
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