Richmond Park by-election.
Discussion
Northern Munkee said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
Precisely I don't think Tim Farron has realised the fire he is playing with. Let's say we don't accept the result of the democratic result of that by election, etc. What happens next?JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
jonnyb said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
The second by election is in 2020. May be we should have an EU referendum every 5 years too. JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
However, this can't wait until the next General Election - by LibDem referendum logic - the voters have been mislead! They were told this vote was about BREXIT - actually it was about their local MP. Clearly anyone who voted for her was unaware, we must have another by-election to make sure that any decisions she makes are valid!
Ok, it's nonsense. Just as it's nonsense to pretend this vote is anything other than an indicator of who was chosen as local MP.
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
Truly frightening. How can the Lib dems have spent so much on this campaign and put in such a lightweight candidate?JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 2nd December 11:47
jonnyb said:
Northern Munkee said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
Precisely I don't think Tim Farron has realised the fire he is playing with. Let's say we don't accept the result of the democratic result of that by election, etc. What happens next?JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
jonnyb said:
Northern Munkee said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
Precisely I don't think Tim Farron has realised the fire he is playing with. Let's say we don't accept the result of the democratic result of that by election, etc. What happens next?JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
jonnyb said:
dandarez said:
Just like the Witney by-election, the Lib-Dums spent a fortune on canvassing. Have they any money left now? Both by-elections were low turnout - the Witney one, which was still won by the Tories but the Lib-Dums got second had a turnout of less than 26% - this among the lowest in a by-election since the Second World War! But the point is they spent-out, for what? They even rang me again on polling day ffs, someone who has never voted Lib in his life.
Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR
Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accept the result.
Except you haven't. Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accept the result.
You have already stated at the GE they will get wiped out, hardly excepting.
Your good fortune is that you will get another say in a few years time. Not so with the EU referendum.
Of course I've accepted the result!
Saying they will get wiped out in the General Election is a prediction.
The Referendum was a one-off, YOU knew that, IF you voted.
Like your silly response I've answered above, about a 'by-election' in 2010.
And just to rub it in, 'may be' is one word not two, and you said I was hardly 'excepting'
- you mean 'accepting'. I could add also that I voted in the 'first' Referendum in 1975. I got that one wrong. I didn't jump up and down. DEMOCRACY! However, 41 YEARS later I got a second chance at the vote. I didn't make a mistake this time.
GET OVER IT!
footnote said:
CaptainSlow said:
Piersman2 said:
Am I missing something?
If the inference from the Lib Dems and the BBC is that this was turned into a Brexit/Remain vote, it doesn't look good for the remainers.
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Apparently.
Why are the Lib Dems and the BBC trumpeting this as a tidalwave of support for a non-hard Brexit? (Whatever that is actually supposed to mean)
ETA - I notice a few others above have asked the same question.
Because BBCIf the inference from the Lib Dems and the BBC is that this was turned into a Brexit/Remain vote, it doesn't look good for the remainers.
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Apparently.
Why are the Lib Dems and the BBC trumpeting this as a tidalwave of support for a non-hard Brexit? (Whatever that is actually supposed to mean)
ETA - I notice a few others above have asked the same question.
Edited by Piersman2 on Friday 2nd December 09:39
Easier to rouse people for single issues, rather than by-elections or general elections.
Those that came out made their point.
Electorate of 132,632 (because it wasn't representative of a GE seat but a larger area)
69.29% Remain (91,900)
30.71% Leave (40,731)
If people that were unhappy with the Brexit issue and motivated to vote for Lib Dems the result should have been a landslide to them........
Borghetto said:
I think that once we see how beastly the EU will be to poor old Blighty in the Art 50 negotiations - she'll have her work cut out keeping this seat at the GE.
That's odd, I seem to remember lots of experts during the referendum campaign saying that the EU would be nice and compliant during the negotiations since 'they need us more than we need them' and 'we buy lots of German cars' etc. etc. dandarez said:
jonnyb said:
dandarez said:
Just like the Witney by-election, the Lib-Dums spent a fortune on canvassing. Have they any money left now? Both by-elections were low turnout - the Witney one, which was still won by the Tories but the Lib-Dums got second had a turnout of less than 26% - this among the lowest in a by-election since the Second World War! But the point is they spent-out, for what? They even rang me again on polling day ffs, someone who has never voted Lib in his life.
Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR
Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accept the result.
Except you haven't. Pointless.
Come the GE they will go back to being exterminated like in the last one.
The only problem for me is having to see that worst of all leaders ever, Farron, on my TV all evening.
I could, of course, have gone into a Remoanian mood and gone
baa haa baa haa 'I WANNA RECOUNT, I WANNA ANOTHER BY-ELECTION, IT'S NOT FAIR, IT REALLY ISN'T FAIR Nah, I'm into democracy. I've accept the result.
You have already stated at the GE they will get wiped out, hardly excepting.
Your good fortune is that you will get another say in a few years time. Not so with the EU referendum.
Of course I've accepted the result!
Saying they will get wiped out in the General Election is a prediction.
The Referendum was a one-off, YOU knew that, IF you voted.
Like your silly response I've answered above, about a 'by-election' in 2010.
And just to rub it in, 'may be' is one word not two, and you said I was hardly 'excepting'
- you mean 'accepting'. I could add also that I voted in the 'first' Referendum in 1975. I got that one wrong. I didn't jump up and down. DEMOCRACY! However, 41 YEARS later I got a second chance at the vote. I didn't make a mistake this time.
GET OVER IT!
I will just say that if your best effort at rebuttal is my spelling, then it really doesn't say much for your argument.
Edited by jonnyb on Friday 2nd December 12:53
kingston12 said:
brenflys777 said:
The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.
JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
Truly frightening. How can the Lib dems have spent so much on this campaign and put in such a lightweight candidate?JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!
http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...
Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 2nd December 11:47
I've been told on here that I should "widen my social circle" as I never meet any Leavers but as I live and work in the capital I just don't meet any. This is just an illustration as to why.
I live in Richmond Park and the press carry-on this morning is infuriating!
We got absolutely deluged with leaflets from the libdems, almost every day, and I think there was only one of them that mentioned Brexit; everything else from her, and her army of canvassers at the train station every morning and evening, but also everything from Goldsmith (think we got two leaflets from him, and no canvassers on the street), was Heathrow, Heathrow, Heathrow! No mention of Brexit (other than that one time) or any other issue such as schools or NHS at all!
This by-election result isn't about Brexit, and it isn't about general Lib Dem resurgence either! It simply came down to, mainly Goldsmith having pissed off a lot of the electorate firstly by the mayoral election fiasco, secondly by causing this by-election in the first place (and the associated costs of it) rather than just fighting it from within where he already was. And finally that the Lib Dems drafted in every possible resource they've got, which as another poster has said, is totally unsustainable in a general election.
It's just a blip, and the next proper election will correct it.
We got absolutely deluged with leaflets from the libdems, almost every day, and I think there was only one of them that mentioned Brexit; everything else from her, and her army of canvassers at the train station every morning and evening, but also everything from Goldsmith (think we got two leaflets from him, and no canvassers on the street), was Heathrow, Heathrow, Heathrow! No mention of Brexit (other than that one time) or any other issue such as schools or NHS at all!
This by-election result isn't about Brexit, and it isn't about general Lib Dem resurgence either! It simply came down to, mainly Goldsmith having pissed off a lot of the electorate firstly by the mayoral election fiasco, secondly by causing this by-election in the first place (and the associated costs of it) rather than just fighting it from within where he already was. And finally that the Lib Dems drafted in every possible resource they've got, which as another poster has said, is totally unsustainable in a general election.
It's just a blip, and the next proper election will correct it.
AnotherClarkey said:
Borghetto said:
I think that once we see how beastly the EU will be to poor old Blighty in the Art 50 negotiations - she'll have her work cut out keeping this seat at the GE.
That's odd, I seem to remember lots of experts during the referendum campaign saying that the EU would be nice and compliant during the negotiations since 'they need us more than we need them' and 'we buy lots of German cars' etc. etc. The negotiations will be interesting once Art50 is issued. There's gonna be a lot of mud slinging and posteuring from all sides before sense is brought to bear in the last few weeks of the two year period. And possibly beyond that!
It'll be interesting to see if the EU even exists in it's current form by then depending on the member state votes over the next year or so.
AnotherClarkey said:
That's odd, I seem to remember lots of experts during the referendum campaign saying that the EU would be nice and compliant during the negotiations since 'they need us more than we need them' and 'we buy lots of German cars' etc. etc.
Economically it makes sense to both sides to come together with a deal, but politics will win out. Look at the team the EU have put together to negotiate with us. The big change might be driven by the forthcoming elections in Europe next year. If Le Pen wins or Merkle loses that will severely undermine the EU/Euro and in turn their attitude towards us and nobody knows what a Trump Presidency might mean for Europe/UK.Murph7355 said:
jonnyb said:
Well hopefully we will get another vote in less than 40 years time. Although I imagine you won't be here to vote in it.
"Just to rub it in"
It'll have to be sooner than 40yrs for there to be an EU for you to join (again). I expect sooner than 20..."Just to rub it in"
I just hope there's not a war in the interim.
B'stard Child said:
footnote said:
CaptainSlow said:
Piersman2 said:
Am I missing something?
If the inference from the Lib Dems and the BBC is that this was turned into a Brexit/Remain vote, it doesn't look good for the remainers.
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Apparently.
Why are the Lib Dems and the BBC trumpeting this as a tidalwave of support for a non-hard Brexit? (Whatever that is actually supposed to mean)
ETA - I notice a few others above have asked the same question.
Because BBCIf the inference from the Lib Dems and the BBC is that this was turned into a Brexit/Remain vote, it doesn't look good for the remainers.
During the referendum 70% voted remain.
Last night the Lib Dems won the seat with 50%.
That's a 20% drop in support for remaining.
Apparently.
Why are the Lib Dems and the BBC trumpeting this as a tidalwave of support for a non-hard Brexit? (Whatever that is actually supposed to mean)
ETA - I notice a few others above have asked the same question.
Edited by Piersman2 on Friday 2nd December 09:39
Easier to rouse people for single issues, rather than by-elections or general elections.
Those that came out made their point.
Electorate of 132,632 (because it wasn't representative of a GE seat but a larger area)
69.29% Remain (91,900)
30.71% Leave (40,731)
If people that were unhappy with the Brexit issue and motivated to vote for Lib Dems the result should have been a landslide to them........
Goldsmith won 45 per cent of the vote compared to 58 per cent in the 2015 general election.
The Liberal Democrats made huge gains on their result 19 months ago, scooping 49.7 per cent of the vote - a whopping 30 percentage point increase.
What constitutes a 'landslide' statistically?
Zigster said:
Well, Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. We have no idea what the outcome will look like because Pokerface May isn't telling - Brexit means Brexit, etc. So even if it doesn't change that we leave the EU, it might make May think more carefully about what the country looks like post Brexit.
In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
Why not?In the "We won!" obsession of the 52%, there seems to be a lack of comprehension that the 48% wanted something very different and you can't just ignore that.
Isn't that the reason that we have democracy?
I wonder how the majority of the electorate in Farron's constituency (who voted leave) feel about him taking up this stance for his party?
If his logic carries through he is about to commit political suicide.
Of course this won't get discussed much in the MSM because it's all about the anti-Brexit agenda. If he does get asked he'll just go on an impassioned rant about his public service and belief in the great British public who happened to get this wrong - bless em...
If his logic carries through he is about to commit political suicide.
Of course this won't get discussed much in the MSM because it's all about the anti-Brexit agenda. If he does get asked he'll just go on an impassioned rant about his public service and belief in the great British public who happened to get this wrong - bless em...
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