US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
Discussion
Jimbeaux said:
Mermaid said:
BillPeart said:
Bush and Blair should be in the Hague and Obama put back in college where he can't do much harm.
Hallelujah 
That'll upset you more than me Mr Palin.
And boots on the ground is your solution eh? Well it worked in Iraq i suppose.
Oh, hang about.
Edited by KareemK on Tuesday 14th October 21:38
BillPeart said:
Obama's a shell, a hollow promise of a President. A demagog playing the rhetoric and race cards so well in the build up to a lame Presidency. Frustrating failure.
Way over his head and so transparent and sham (that glad handing on the golf course moments after expressing his broken heartedness at the beheading of captives was borderline sick) I don't know how he cons so many gullible idiots.
And next we might get Hilarious (except for anyone unlucky enough to work for her!) Clinton. Looking so good isn't it?
Lightweight "leaders", and not just over there. Republican offerings?Way over his head and so transparent and sham (that glad handing on the golf course moments after expressing his broken heartedness at the beheading of captives was borderline sick) I don't know how he cons so many gullible idiots.
And next we might get Hilarious (except for anyone unlucky enough to work for her!) Clinton. Looking so good isn't it?
Does anyone else think that possibly 'The West' simply doesn't want to defeat ISIS?
If all the radicalised youth are heading out to Syria they're not getting up to anything here, It must be useful having a place they can all head to, and the associated noise around it must be making it easier to pick up who is being radicalised etc.
If the US/UK etc did pile in, defeat ISIS etc, there would have to be troops on the ground, no one has the stomach for that. We'd almost certainly have to go after Assad as well, and then be embroiled in effectively a proxy war with Russia. Which is most definitely not in our interests, especially given what is going on in Ukraine.
I have to say I'm surprised by the Turkish actions, I wonder how much they fear domestic terrorism if they were to confront ISIS. It's pretty obvious they don't want to go it alone against them in Syria, and have no desire to see the Kurds gain more power. But as others have said they really did miss an opportunity for bridge building and upping their international standing by not deploying their forces to defend Kobani.
If all the radicalised youth are heading out to Syria they're not getting up to anything here, It must be useful having a place they can all head to, and the associated noise around it must be making it easier to pick up who is being radicalised etc.
If the US/UK etc did pile in, defeat ISIS etc, there would have to be troops on the ground, no one has the stomach for that. We'd almost certainly have to go after Assad as well, and then be embroiled in effectively a proxy war with Russia. Which is most definitely not in our interests, especially given what is going on in Ukraine.
I have to say I'm surprised by the Turkish actions, I wonder how much they fear domestic terrorism if they were to confront ISIS. It's pretty obvious they don't want to go it alone against them in Syria, and have no desire to see the Kurds gain more power. But as others have said they really did miss an opportunity for bridge building and upping their international standing by not deploying their forces to defend Kobani.
Magog said:
Does anyone else think that possibly 'The West' simply doesn't want to defeat ISIS?
If all the radicalised youth are heading out to Syria they're not getting up to anything here, It must be useful having a place they can all head to, and the associated noise around it must be making it easier to pick up who is being radicalised etc.
If the US/UK etc did pile in, defeat ISIS etc, there would have to be troops on the ground, no one has the stomach for that. We'd almost certainly have to go after Assad as well, and then be embroiled in effectively a proxy war with Russia. Which is most definitely not in our interests, especially given what is going on in Ukraine.
I have to say I'm surprised by the Turkish actions, I wonder how much they fear domestic terrorism if they were to confront ISIS. It's pretty obvious they don't want to go it alone against them in Syria, and have no desire to see the Kurds gain more power. But as others have said they really did miss an opportunity for bridge building and upping their international standing by not deploying their forces to defend Kobani.
You don't think those radicalised youth will ever come back again?If all the radicalised youth are heading out to Syria they're not getting up to anything here, It must be useful having a place they can all head to, and the associated noise around it must be making it easier to pick up who is being radicalised etc.
If the US/UK etc did pile in, defeat ISIS etc, there would have to be troops on the ground, no one has the stomach for that. We'd almost certainly have to go after Assad as well, and then be embroiled in effectively a proxy war with Russia. Which is most definitely not in our interests, especially given what is going on in Ukraine.
I have to say I'm surprised by the Turkish actions, I wonder how much they fear domestic terrorism if they were to confront ISIS. It's pretty obvious they don't want to go it alone against them in Syria, and have no desire to see the Kurds gain more power. But as others have said they really did miss an opportunity for bridge building and upping their international standing by not deploying their forces to defend Kobani.
Just this time battle hardened.
egor110 said:
You don't think those radicalised youth will ever come back again?
Just this time battle hardened.
The ones who don't get killed might, but the situation might be making it easier to identify who they are, even if there are ultimately more of them, but who honestly knows? I know it sounds like tin foil hattery but perhaps many in power round the world feel that maintaining the status quo of the Syrian Civil War indefinitely is the least worst option overall.Just this time battle hardened.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Mermaid said:
I would put Assad in charge instead, and arm him via Israel/US
I can't exactly see that as a pleasing move for Israel. Hezbollah is fighting on Assad's side (for now). Mermaid said:
New middle east order, Assad would prefer to work with Israel rather than lose his country. Its the Sunnis that are the issue ( or are they only nation building), and of course the Kurds for Turkey/Iraq eventually.
What's in it for Israel? Nothing. What's in it for Iran (currently Assad's biggest buddy and Israel's bete noir)? Even less. It's not going to happen.
AreOut said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I think you've missed the point, which is surely that the "war against ISIS" isn't a NATO conflict, while Kosovo was.
but why if ISIS is much bigger threat to NATO than Serbs were in their own country?!The reason they're not going to do that is the same reason the US has put together this ramshackle alliance: because otherwise it would look like some loony invasion by the Crusaders.
irocfan said:
Muntu said:
y'see this is the bit that amuses me - Bush is seen by many in Europe as a retard and yet.... he nailed this issue 10 years ago. His 'more intelligent' successor f
ked it up even worse2. Obama was a "Community Organiser". It shows.
Asterix said:
Jimbeaux said:
Lost soul said:
My fear is the Kurds are for some reason or another being stitched up by the US and Turkey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-295560...
They have proven, over decades, to be our only reliable ally in that area, yet we continuosly fhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-295560...
k them over; it's a shame.tty end of the stick in 1945 didn't they Lost soul said:
Asterix said:
Jimbeaux said:
Lost soul said:
My fear is the Kurds are for some reason or another being stitched up by the US and Turkey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-295560...
They have proven, over decades, to be our only reliable ally in that area, yet we continuosly fhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-295560...
k them over; it's a shame.tty end of the stick in 1945 didn't they ked over big time in and after WWIIKareemK said:
Jimbeaux said:
Mermaid said:
BillPeart said:
Bush and Blair should be in the Hague and Obama put back in college where he can't do much harm.
Hallelujah That'll upset you more than me Mr Palin.
And boots on the ground is your solution eh? Well it worked in Iraq i suppose.
Oh, hang about.
Edited by KareemK on Tuesday 14th October 21:38
Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 15th October 14:27
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