Lots of angry people today.
Discussion
stitched said:
el stovey said:
Garvin said:
Why do some people expect short term good news on Brexit? Surely those who voted for it did do with a much longer term view of potential benefits?
Reading the comments on here, it's clear many posters didn't have a clue about what they were voting for. The amount of times someone states they voted for Brexit and then comes up with some nonsense a 7 year old might come out with is astonishing,
Undoubtedly there will be some very intelligent Brexit supporters in here but generally they're keeping quiet. Comments about people being sore losers are the sort of thing I'd expect in a playground. It does show their choice was often based on tribalism rather than any view on "long term benefits" whatsoever.
Despite this, and despite the fact I would prefer us to remain in a properly accountable European government I voted to leave.
The people who make up the european council not only fail badly at keeping accounts they do not care.
When called upon to account for the money which we entrust them they look down their noses as if they can't believe we lesser people dare question their masters.
Personally I would have voted to nuke the arrogant t
ts from orbit but, I checked the back of the slip, that wasn't an option.Federated europe is a good idea.
They couldn't run S
horpe.Wait till the whole shebang collapses.
Try again.
Yes, the negative side for the EU - and why Jean Claude Drunker threw all his toys (and empties) out of his pram - is that they lose the 'balance' the UK offers and also the very significant, net contributions.
My take regarding Brexit is that I do not see it as the Yahoo, grass is greener, easy option, but rather that, long term, it is most sensible. That might actually mean that the fallout from this is the UK never does actually leave, but the EU is reformed, a proper UK compromise is brokered. Many say that cannot and should not (given the vote) happen, but I am totally unconvinced that rationality and politics are necessarily that well acquainted, UK or EU. Necessity is ever the mother of invention - it may prove necessary for the EU and UK to reach a new compromise.
I would also agree with Stitched; the EU in it's present form is undesirable for many reasons and is badly in need of reform. If referenda in the UK and other nations, is what it takes to shake things up, then so much the better, because there are too many issues that too many member states are unhappy about that seem to be falling on deaf ears.
el stovey said:
Garvin said:
Why do some people expect short term good news on Brexit? Surely those who voted for it did do with a much longer term view of potential benefits?
Reading the comments on here, it's clear many posters didn't have a clue about what they were voting for. The amount of times someone states they voted for Brexit and then comes up with some nonsense a 7 year old might come out with is astonishing,
Undoubtedly there will be some very intelligent Brexit supporters in here but generally they're keeping quiet. Comments about people being sore losers are the sort of thing I'd expect in a playground. It does show their choice was often based on tribalism rather than any view on "long term benefits" whatsoever.
Have you seen youth unemployment figures in the EU? The EU is toxic, those that want to remain simply haven't got a clue about what lies ahead for it. We will be better off aligning ourselves with trading partners in the ascendency...
I've generally been keeping pretty quiet...
WinstonWolf said:
el stovey said:
Garvin said:
Why do some people expect short term good news on Brexit? Surely those who voted for it did do with a much longer term view of potential benefits?
Reading the comments on here, it's clear many posters didn't have a clue about what they were voting for. The amount of times someone states they voted for Brexit and then comes up with some nonsense a 7 year old might come out with is astonishing,
Undoubtedly there will be some very intelligent Brexit supporters in here but generally they're keeping quiet. Comments about people being sore losers are the sort of thing I'd expect in a playground. It does show their choice was often based on tribalism rather than any view on "long term benefits" whatsoever.
Have you seen youth unemployment figures in the EU? The EU is toxic, those that want to remain simply haven't got a clue about what lies ahead for it. We will be better off aligning ourselves with trading partners in the ascendency...
I've generally been keeping pretty quiet...
I'm simply stating that after reading these threads, the leave group unfortunately tend to sound like the thickos and more reactionary posters.
PorkInsider said:
don4l said:
You ignored my investment advice 10 days ago. You would be 10% up if you were bright enough to listen to me.
Here is another bit of good advice.
Buy TW and KIE.
I know that you would be an utter hypocrite to take my advice, so you won't buy them.
I've made a note in my diary to come back in six months and tell you that you were wrong.
Are you authorised to give investment advice?Here is another bit of good advice.
Buy TW and KIE.
I know that you would be an utter hypocrite to take my advice, so you won't buy them.
I've made a note in my diary to come back in six months and tell you that you were wrong.
Only people stupid enough to make serious, vitally important decisions based upon 'it might work out OK' would be following investment advice from you, if not.
Really?
You sulkers are absolutely hilarious.
A few reasons not to be angry:
1. Cameron has gone. I had high hopes for him, but he had a bad habit of winging it and relying on luck to see him through, and a tendency to duck difficult decisions.
2. The EU now absolutely has to sort itself out. Regardless of what Juncker might be saying about "more Europe" that's not the direction of travel any more. Losing a G8 country from your club is a massive humiliation, and the EU has now learned that ignoring members' concerns is a bad idea, and that trying to hold the Union together through fear and intimidation is not guaranteed to work. Bratislava in September will be interesting.
3. Meanwhile we can get on and negotiate proper free trade agreements outside the EU without our soon to be ex-partners stuffing up the process by trying to get special protection for every section of their own domestic industries. That should save an awful lot of time.
4. The Labour Party also has to sort itself out, or die. The disconnect between the party in Parliament and the people it purports to represent has been growing for thirty or more years. Some of it was amusing - Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole in a Hartlepool chippie - but the party's current incarnation as the Angry Twitter Party will keep it out of power forever. I'm with the Remainers who say the working classes weren't voting primarily on the impact of Europe: they voted Leave to give a kicking to the quinoa-eating metropolitans who hoover up their votes at election time and then call them bigoted, racist, fat, drunken Little Englanders who need to be re-engineered for the greater good.
5. And speaking of quinoa-eating metropolitans, how does it feel to be on the wrong end of a massive, life-changing decision over which you have absolutely no control? That isn't schadenfreude, it's an overdue correction which will hopefully lead to a bit more empathy in future. Sunderland car workers were told "Vote Remain or your jobs are at risk". They voted Leave. Think about that.
1. Cameron has gone. I had high hopes for him, but he had a bad habit of winging it and relying on luck to see him through, and a tendency to duck difficult decisions.
2. The EU now absolutely has to sort itself out. Regardless of what Juncker might be saying about "more Europe" that's not the direction of travel any more. Losing a G8 country from your club is a massive humiliation, and the EU has now learned that ignoring members' concerns is a bad idea, and that trying to hold the Union together through fear and intimidation is not guaranteed to work. Bratislava in September will be interesting.
3. Meanwhile we can get on and negotiate proper free trade agreements outside the EU without our soon to be ex-partners stuffing up the process by trying to get special protection for every section of their own domestic industries. That should save an awful lot of time.
4. The Labour Party also has to sort itself out, or die. The disconnect between the party in Parliament and the people it purports to represent has been growing for thirty or more years. Some of it was amusing - Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole in a Hartlepool chippie - but the party's current incarnation as the Angry Twitter Party will keep it out of power forever. I'm with the Remainers who say the working classes weren't voting primarily on the impact of Europe: they voted Leave to give a kicking to the quinoa-eating metropolitans who hoover up their votes at election time and then call them bigoted, racist, fat, drunken Little Englanders who need to be re-engineered for the greater good.
5. And speaking of quinoa-eating metropolitans, how does it feel to be on the wrong end of a massive, life-changing decision over which you have absolutely no control? That isn't schadenfreude, it's an overdue correction which will hopefully lead to a bit more empathy in future. Sunderland car workers were told "Vote Remain or your jobs are at risk". They voted Leave. Think about that.
blueg33 said:
I may have to send my EU staff home. They occupy jobs in accounts and financial modelling. For the last vacancy advertised, we had no suitably qualified British applicants.
I doubt it, who would a situation whereby UK migrants in the EU and vice versa being expelled benefit?Nobody.
230TE said:
A few reasons not to be angry:
1. Cameron has gone. I had high hopes for him, but he had a bad habit of winging it and relying on luck to see him through, and a tendency to duck difficult decisions.
2. The EU now absolutely has to sort itself out. Regardless of what Juncker might be saying about "more Europe" that's not the direction of travel any more. Losing a G8 country from your club is a massive humiliation, and the EU has now learned that ignoring members' concerns is a bad idea, and that trying to hold the Union together through fear and intimidation is not guaranteed to work. Bratislava in September will be interesting.
3. Meanwhile we can get on and negotiate proper free trade agreements outside the EU without our soon to be ex-partners stuffing up the process by trying to get special protection for every section of their own domestic industries. That should save an awful lot of time.
4. The Labour Party also has to sort itself out, or die. The disconnect between the party in Parliament and the people it purports to represent has been growing for thirty or more years. Some of it was amusing - Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole in a Hartlepool chippie - but the party's current incarnation as the Angry Twitter Party will keep it out of power forever. I'm with the Remainers who say the working classes weren't voting primarily on the impact of Europe: they voted Leave to give a kicking to the quinoa-eating metropolitans who hoover up their votes at election time and then call them bigoted, racist, fat, drunken Little Englanders who need to be re-engineered for the greater good.
5. And speaking of quinoa-eating metropolitans, how does it feel to be on the wrong end of a massive, life-changing decision over which you have absolutely no control? That isn't schadenfreude, it's an overdue correction which will hopefully lead to a bit more empathy in future. Sunderland car workers were told "Vote Remain or your jobs are at risk". They voted Leave. Think about that.
Boris and Chris Evans gone too. 1. Cameron has gone. I had high hopes for him, but he had a bad habit of winging it and relying on luck to see him through, and a tendency to duck difficult decisions.
2. The EU now absolutely has to sort itself out. Regardless of what Juncker might be saying about "more Europe" that's not the direction of travel any more. Losing a G8 country from your club is a massive humiliation, and the EU has now learned that ignoring members' concerns is a bad idea, and that trying to hold the Union together through fear and intimidation is not guaranteed to work. Bratislava in September will be interesting.
3. Meanwhile we can get on and negotiate proper free trade agreements outside the EU without our soon to be ex-partners stuffing up the process by trying to get special protection for every section of their own domestic industries. That should save an awful lot of time.
4. The Labour Party also has to sort itself out, or die. The disconnect between the party in Parliament and the people it purports to represent has been growing for thirty or more years. Some of it was amusing - Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole in a Hartlepool chippie - but the party's current incarnation as the Angry Twitter Party will keep it out of power forever. I'm with the Remainers who say the working classes weren't voting primarily on the impact of Europe: they voted Leave to give a kicking to the quinoa-eating metropolitans who hoover up their votes at election time and then call them bigoted, racist, fat, drunken Little Englanders who need to be re-engineered for the greater good.
5. And speaking of quinoa-eating metropolitans, how does it feel to be on the wrong end of a massive, life-changing decision over which you have absolutely no control? That isn't schadenfreude, it's an overdue correction which will hopefully lead to a bit more empathy in future. Sunderland car workers were told "Vote Remain or your jobs are at risk". They voted Leave. Think about that.
don4l said:
Am I "authorised"?
Really?
You sulkers are absolutely hilarious.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=LON%3ATWReally?
You sulkers are absolutely hilarious.
Doing well so far.
Probably just some glass-half empty nonsense though.
blueg33 said:
I may have to send my EU staff home. They occupy jobs in accounts and financial modelling. For the last vacancy advertised, we had no suitably qualified British applicants.
Who is saying that anyone is going to get "sent home" ?Who is saying that, if there is demand which cannot be filled, we would block people coming to fill them?
Oh, I remember, it's nobody isn't it.
boxxob said:
blueg33 said:
I may have to send my EU staff home. They occupy jobs in accounts and financial modelling. For the last vacancy advertised, we had no suitably qualified British applicants.
none at all? Why do you think that is? 
A lot of people think it's quite good that the rich may suffer because of this, the fact they are all squirming is a delight.
The working class didn't have much to lose, they could only gain which is one of the things which swung the vote.
Edited by 227bhp on Tuesday 5th July 09:39
PorkInsider said:
Am I missing something here?
How do we know which way the car workers voted?
It's certainly possible that the workers themselves voted Remain, and their families, friends, people working for companies dependent on Nissan Sunderland etc etc were the ones who voted Leave. But you have to admit that in a place so obviously dependent on EU trade as a principal source of employment, the result was unusual and unexpected.How do we know which way the car workers voted?
230TE said:
PorkInsider said:
Am I missing something here?
How do we know which way the car workers voted?
It's certainly possible that the workers themselves voted Remain, and their families, friends, people working for companies dependent on Nissan Sunderland etc etc were the ones who voted Leave. But you have to admit that in a place so obviously dependent on EU trade as a principal source of employment, the result was unusual and unexpected.How do we know which way the car workers voted?
Not sure about the motives of the 'leavers' though.
Nothing surprises me anymore regarding voters' motivations, whichever box they ticked.
///ajd said:
jonny996 said:
We'll yesterday I just seen the first personnel impacts, my high tech role is bringing relocated to a EU country & I would imagine a lot of the industry will follow.
Sorry to hear that. Do you mind saying what sector? I'm guessing you're a 40% taxpayer, just the sort of job we can't afford to lose to the economy.
230TE said:
PorkInsider said:
Am I missing something here?
How do we know which way the car workers voted?
It's certainly possible that the workers themselves voted Remain, and their families, friends, people working for companies dependent on Nissan Sunderland etc etc were the ones who voted Leave. But you have to admit that in a place so obviously dependent on EU trade as a principal source of employment, the result was unusual and unexpected.How do we know which way the car workers voted?
///ajd said:
Do you think he has strong views on the mutually incompatible dilemma between staying in the single market and our ability to rescind the four freedoms?
I'm sure like many he placed his cross in the box confident he'd assessed the available rhetoric, seen the helpful posters and carefully considered the pros and cons.
All I know is that I wouldn't let him near my wheels. He was using metal on metal.I'm sure like many he placed his cross in the box confident he'd assessed the available rhetoric, seen the helpful posters and carefully considered the pros and cons.
Edited by ///ajd on Monday 4th July 21:52
Edited by Zod on Tuesday 5th July 10:17
blueg33 said:
I may have to send my EU staff home. They occupy jobs in accounts and financial modelling. For the last vacancy advertised, we had no suitably qualified British applicants.
This will almost certainly be one of the key negotiaton points, workers and those just living in the UK to have the choice to stay or leave. Reciprocal arrangements for UK persons.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff