45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Brilliant! Now unzip the bag and have a lollipop.

I think you'll find it's 5amp in that bag! You boys have fun now

[Jimbeaux]

dvs_dave said:

Jimbeaux said:

I would submit that the irony lays clearly upon you. You have spent so long accusing others of stereotype that you have become a stereotype. You have been condescending so long you have managed to step in your own st.

has 5oh figured out your login info or something?

No, our style of prose is markedly different; you should realize that.

[TheExcession]

Jimbeaux said:

Let's understand a couple of things. The popular vote has never been used alone to elect a POTUS in over two centuries. We are a collection of states, not a pool of one. Therefore, each state requires individual representation. To that end, the 30 / 50 states Trump won, he won the popular vote of those jurisdictions. The popular vote excess of HRC can be found in the two cities of Los Angeles & New York alone. Allowing two coastal cities to decide each election is not equally representative of 50 jurisdictions, thus the founding fathers' wisdom of the electoral college.
So, any further blabbering of "popular vote", on a nationwide scale is about as relevant as how short your man tackle is in reference to the maximum effective range of an excuse.

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Doesn't it speak volumes that this has to be explained again and again and again and again?

[BlackLabel]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

CNN giving debate questions to the Clinton campaign to shaft Bernie as well as the NYTs running stories by the HRC staff to get their "approval" are facts. Makes one wonder how much of this bias has been going on that was not caught?

Another example of post-truth

There isn't a single piece of evidence to show that CNN leaked the questions.

Donna Brazile the then DNC chair and CNN employee gave the Clinton campaign the questions. This is pretty black and white isn't it?

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

So, by your statement, we are to assume you are saying that the Buzzfeed story is true??

I sincerely hope so

It would certainly explain the orange skin tone, would it not?

If there is ever a talent competition for comedy or poetry, you grab a fuchsia beret and read a Bob Dylan song.

[Jimbeaux]

TheExcession said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's understand a couple of things. The popular vote has never been used alone to elect a POTUS in over two centuries. We are a collection of states, not a pool of one. Therefore, each state requires individual representation. To that end, the 30 / 50 states Trump won, he won the popular vote of those jurisdictions. The popular vote excess of HRC can be found in the two cities of Los Angeles & New York alone. Allowing two coastal cities to decide each election is not equally representative of 50 jurisdictions, thus the founding fathers' wisdom of the electoral college.
So, any further blabbering of "popular vote", on a nationwide scale is about as relevant as how short your man tackle is in reference to the maximum effective range of an excuse.

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Doesn't it speak volumes that this has to be explained again and again and again and again?

Yes it does. At worse it is indicative of ignorance; at best, it shows a misunderstanding due to a varied perception based upon location/different structure of government.

[minimoog]

Jimbeaux said:

Let's understand a couple of things. The popular vote has never been used alone to elect a POTUS in over two centuries. We are a collection of states, not a pool of one. Therefore, each state requires individual representation. To that end, the 30 / 50 states Trump won, he won the popular vote of those jurisdictions. The popular vote excess of HRC can be found in the two cities of Los Angeles & New York alone. Allowing two coastal cities to decide each election is not equally representative of 50 jurisdictions, thus the founding fathers' wisdom of the electoral college.
So, any further blabbering of "popular vote", on a nationwide scale is about as relevant as how short your man tackle is in reference to the maximum effective range of an excuse.

If you took a few moments to do some understanding of your own instead of triggering off all over the place you'd see I was simply picking apart Don4l's fatuous assertion that rejecting Populist politics was anti-democratic. Turbo then waded in to suggest that Populism and popularity were one and the same thing, which is equally absurd.

I appreciate I was probably a bit too subtle for you - I'll try and dumb it down for you next time.

[Jimbeaux]

BlackLabel said:

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

CNN giving debate questions to the Clinton campaign to shaft Bernie as well as the NYTs running stories by the HRC staff to get their "approval" are facts. Makes one wonder how much of this bias has been going on that was not caught?

Another example of post-truth

There isn't a single piece of evidence to show that CNN leaked the questions.

Donna Brazile the then DNC chair and CNN employee gave the Clinton campaign the questions. This is pretty black and white isn't it?

Yes it is; of further note, CNN fired her for it. Probably because she was caught rather than disagreeing with her actions. Come on Countdown, even you can do better than this.

[Countdown]

BlackLabel said:

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

CNN giving debate questions to the Clinton campaign to shaft Bernie as well as the NYTs running stories by the HRC staff to get their "approval" are facts. Makes one wonder how much of this bias has been going on that was not caught?

Another example of post-truth

There isn't a single piece of evidence to show that CNN leaked the questions.

Donna Brazile the then DNC chair and CNN employee gave the Clinton campaign the questions. This is pretty black and white isn't it?

Yes and no. DB leaked the info and was sacked. CNN didn't leak the info. Whereas If you listen to Jimbo and 5watt ranting on about the "MSM Conspiracy" they would have you believe that CNN was responsible for the leak for their own nefarious reasons.

To put it another way, if a Russian spy leaks information to an MI6 agent, it's not the Russian Govt doing the leaking.

[Jimbeaux]

minimoog said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's understand a couple of things. The popular vote has never been used alone to elect a POTUS in over two centuries. We are a collection of states, not a pool of one. Therefore, each state requires individual representation. To that end, the 30 / 50 states Trump won, he won the popular vote of those jurisdictions. The popular vote excess of HRC can be found in the two cities of Los Angeles & New York alone. Allowing two coastal cities to decide each election is not equally representative of 50 jurisdictions, thus the founding fathers' wisdom of the electoral college.
So, any further blabbering of "popular vote", on a nationwide scale is about as relevant as how short your man tackle is in reference to the maximum effective range of an excuse.

If you took a few moments to do some understanding of your own instead of triggering off all over the place you'd see I was simply picking apart Don4l's fatuous assertion that rejecting Populist politics was anti-democratic. Turbo then waded in to suggest that Populism and popularity were one and the same thing, which is equally absurd.

I appreciate I was probably a bit too subtle for you - I'll try and dumb it down for you next time.

No, I clearly detected the core argument was "Populism" vs. "popular" and how some confuse the two (good points by the way). What "triggered" me was another mention of the popular vote rock being tossed in. I felt compelled to elaborate my point of view. You'll be OK.

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Yes it is; of further note, CNN fired her for it. Probably because she was caught rather than disagreeing with her actions. Come on Countdown, even you can do better than this.

It can't possibly be that she was fired because CNN didn't agree with her leaking.....

I need to buy shares in Bacofoil.

[Jimbeaux]

dvs_dave said:

Balmoral said:

5ohmustang said:

I would reverse the last 8 years, stop all foreign funding, nation building, military presence(bar South Korea), build the wall and deploy Active duty forces to the southern border. Cut off all federal funding to sanctuary cities. Stop all immigration, clear out the backlog,the rewrite the immigration laws to make it easier for qualified people to come here. At the same time deporting all illegals, whether their home country wants them back or not. We are the USA and we have the power to do this. If someone does not like this then get the hell out of the USA.

I love this!

'merica! fk yeah!

Worth reminding everyone that 5oh is far from being a born and raised American. He's very much an immigrant himself, all the way from glorious Preston.

I'd love to see his proposed immigrant criteria/qualifications and see if he would satisfy them himself. For this reason alone they'd presumably have to be pretty low, so would in actuality be no more effective than today's regs.

The insular nature of the US and its people is its biggest problem. That's what needs fixing. The Trumputin coalition is only going to make it worse.

Being insular comes more naturally to a nation of this size. We have many cultures and climates from state to state. Travelling from state to state is akin to Europeans going from country to country. Your comparison is a bit apples & oranges. I agree with portions of your view; however, I am not so sure we need "fixing" as much as you claim.

[Stickyfinger]

Jimbeaux said:

Being insular comes more naturally to a nation of this size. We have many cultures and climates from state to state. Travelling from state to state is akin to Europeans going from country to country. Your comparison is a bit apples & oranges. I agree with portions of your view; however, I am not so sure we need "fixing" as much as you claim.

Jimbeaux, spot on. He has seen the B-movies, he knows the USA very well

[Willy Nilly]

So far The Donald has been a breath of fresh air, it's great watching the political establishment choking when they are ask to comment. "How dare he do X, Y and Z, doesn't he know how the system works?" Of course he does, that's why he stood and why he was voted in.

It's going to be great fun to watch from this side of the Atlantic.

[hidetheelephants]

scherzkeks said:

Cold said:

5ohmustang said:

hidetheelephants said:

Not looking very likely at all; Govtrack places its chances of passing at 12%.

I see.

That's actually quite an amusing riposte.

Indeed.

Notwithstanding the veracity or otherwise of Govtrack, if the impending Trump administration has ambitions in the direction indicated by Tillerson's coat-trailing over the South China Sea, it would seem like the UN and its various agencies could help to avoid the US being left to do it all unilaterally; if nothing else by the rules laid out in UNCLOS the chinese have no rights at all to the man-made installations.

[don4l]

rovermorris999 said:

don4l said:

People are complaining about "populism". That is just a loser's word for "democracy".

I like that. I hope you don't mind if I steal it.

Feel free.

[minimoog]

And people say his opponents are deperate.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trump...

'Donald Trump Campaign Offered Actors $50 to Cheer for Him at Presidential Announcement

A casting call was sent out last week "looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement."
Donald Trump's big presidential announcement Tuesday was made a little bigger with help from paid actors — at $50 a pop.

New York-based Extra Mile Casting sent an email last Friday to its client list of background actors, seeking extras to beef up attendance at Trump's event.

"We are looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement," reads the June 12 email, obtained by The Hollywood Reporter. "We understand this is not a traditional 'background job,' but we believe acting comes in all forms and this is inclusive of that school of thought." (Read the full email at the bottom of the post.)'

[p1stonhead]

minimoog said:

And people say his opponents are deperate.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trump...

'Donald Trump Campaign Offered Actors $50 to Cheer for Him at Presidential Announcement

A casting call was sent out last week "looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement."
Donald Trump's big presidential announcement Tuesday was made a little bigger with help from paid actors — at $50 a pop.

New York-based Extra Mile Casting sent an email last Friday to its client list of background actors, seeking extras to beef up attendance at Trump's event.

"We are looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement," reads the June 12 email, obtained by The Hollywood Reporter. "We understand this is not a traditional 'background job,' but we believe acting comes in all forms and this is inclusive of that school of thought." (Read the full email at the bottom of the post.)'

[steveT350C]

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Yes it is; of further note, CNN fired her for it. Probably because she was caught rather than disagreeing with her actions. Come on Countdown, even you can do better than this.

It can't possibly be that she was fired because CNN didn't agree with her leaking.....

I need to buy shares in Bacofoil.

Nah, it was because she was caught.