UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Zod said:
The housing associations get payment fronm the buyer plus a balancing payment from government, so they can replace the sold housing. That, as I understand it, is the odea and the reason there Is an associated cost.
You are a tiresome individual.
odea ? i like that , a cross between odious and idea ,which is very apt looking at this new bribe to buy scheme.You are a tiresome individual.
Edited by Zod on Wednesday 15th April 21:27
turbobloke said:
Zod said:
MGJohn said:
turbobloke said:
Not helpful to CMD - the front page of today's Times claims Brussels is going to stuff Cameron in any attempted renegotiations ahead of a possible referendum. Naturally that would be applicable if he's re-elected as PM somehow.
Yes, I saw that. A real body blow and one Nigel F has highlighted time and time again and rightly so.So Labour are paying an advisor who doesn't pay any tax on his earnings here.. it'll be interesting how they spin that one
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11...
Telegraph also claim Farage is in talks with the Tories..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11...
Telegraph also claim Farage is in talks with the Tories..
Einion Yrth said:
I worry, a little, about Zod. He really appears to have virtually nothing positive to say about Cameron's "conservative" party and yet he berates others for having nothing positive to say about Cameron's "conservative" party. Cognitive dissonance?
Reminds me of the definition of insanity when you keep repeating the same move and expect a different result.Einion Yrth said:
I worry, a little, about Zod. He really appears to have virtually nothing positive to say about Cameron's "conservative" party and yet he berates others for having nothing positive to say about Cameron's "conservative" party. Cognitive dissonance?
or possibly the same affliction that effects labour voters in the north ? Zod said:
The EU is running scared. There is a real possibility of Cameron, Sarkozy and Merkel with support from other Northern countries pushing for major change within the next two years. You f course if Miliband is running things here, he'll side with the spongers of Southern Europe and we'll be stuffed.
Sarkozy's living it up with his model wife and his collection of platform shoes, I doubt he gives a f
k; he's certainly not in a position to do any such thing.hidetheelephants said:
Sarkozy's living it up with his model wife and his collection of platform shoes, I doubt he gives a fk; he's certainly not in a position to do any such thing.
Not today, but he will probably run in 2017 and stands a good chance of winning. That's not that far away.k; he's certainly not in a position to do any such thing.One annoyance I have is that interviewers keep asking/srating to the PM you didn't deliver on your promise of no deficit after the current govt.
Reasons why they do.
Turns out the recession and decline pre new govt was vastly worse than they were aware
Labour had been hiding the fact that they had been running huge structural deficits since 2003
It's a coalition they couldn't do everything they wanted
Europe had massive issues not in the original forecast
Scotland for the last 2-3 years has been on pause due to the referendum so poor economic growth
Fines on the UK banks from the USA wiping out profits
Lots of plebs in the UK all after PPI wiping out the banks
New lending rules tight on the banks as they were zombie banks so had to earn their way out of it which took time.
BP mecondo well
Tax takes lower than planned due to point 1 the recession had been far worse than anyone had realised
They moved to plan C rather than press on with harder cuts to help the public
Bonkers PFI deals labour did for NHS costing future govt billions
Mass immigration and people living longer further increase in NHS costs
The fact that some individuals who don't work simply refuse to take any work as its "beneath them". So we get people on from Europe who will happily do the job and then we pay the non worker £26k in benefits... Mind boggles. If your able to work and cannot find work that you'd like to do then you man up take the job your offered of stop benefits. Find the job you want while you work
Lots of other things too but I'd say that covers this up quite nicely. Why does he and George not use it they pay lip service yet if they went a little granular Joe Bloggs can understand or think yes that's a fair point.
Lastly there has not been any austerity every year spend has increased - not sure how that would go down with voters
Reasons why they do.
Turns out the recession and decline pre new govt was vastly worse than they were aware
Labour had been hiding the fact that they had been running huge structural deficits since 2003
It's a coalition they couldn't do everything they wanted
Europe had massive issues not in the original forecast
Scotland for the last 2-3 years has been on pause due to the referendum so poor economic growth
Fines on the UK banks from the USA wiping out profits
Lots of plebs in the UK all after PPI wiping out the banks
New lending rules tight on the banks as they were zombie banks so had to earn their way out of it which took time.
BP mecondo well
Tax takes lower than planned due to point 1 the recession had been far worse than anyone had realised
They moved to plan C rather than press on with harder cuts to help the public
Bonkers PFI deals labour did for NHS costing future govt billions
Mass immigration and people living longer further increase in NHS costs
The fact that some individuals who don't work simply refuse to take any work as its "beneath them". So we get people on from Europe who will happily do the job and then we pay the non worker £26k in benefits... Mind boggles. If your able to work and cannot find work that you'd like to do then you man up take the job your offered of stop benefits. Find the job you want while you work
Lots of other things too but I'd say that covers this up quite nicely. Why does he and George not use it they pay lip service yet if they went a little granular Joe Bloggs can understand or think yes that's a fair point.
Lastly there has not been any austerity every year spend has increased - not sure how that would go down with voters
Vaud said:
hidetheelephants said:
Sarkozy's living it up with his model wife and his collection of platform shoes, I doubt he gives a fk; he's certainly not in a position to do any such thing.
Not today, but he will probably run in 2017 and stands a good chance of winning. That's not that far away.k; he's certainly not in a position to do any such thing.Sorry if this has come up before, but I've not been following closely.
My constituency was true blue until the 97 election when the Liberals got in. Has been ever since, and the sitting MP Steve Webb is pretty much a nailed on certainty. That is unless Ukip pull something out of the hat but I sincerely expect and hope that won't be the case.
How many seats are 'marginal' and have a chance of making a difference?
My constituency was true blue until the 97 election when the Liberals got in. Has been ever since, and the sitting MP Steve Webb is pretty much a nailed on certainty. That is unless Ukip pull something out of the hat but I sincerely expect and hope that won't be the case.
How many seats are 'marginal' and have a chance of making a difference?
Zod said:
The EU is running scared. There is a real possibility of Cameron, Sarkozy and Merkel with support from other Northern countries pushing for major change within the next two years. You f course if Miliband is running things here, he'll side with the spongers of Southern Europe and we'll be stuffed.
Why would Labour act against the interests of the UK?For once, Labour is promoting significant decentralisation and constitutional change in its manifesto. I don't see it supporting "ever closer union". Remember that there is opposition to EU on the left as well.
Along with the opaque and unaccountable bureaucracy, I think CAP is the main problem with EU - and the one thing that UKIP wants to retain (i.e. massive uncapped subsidies to large landowners). Reform this and we cut costs dramatically.
edh said:
Why would Labour act against the interests of the UK?
Well for a start, can you honestly see Wallace (and his team) driving a good, hard bargain for the UK and actually being an agent for change? I'm sorry, but he really strikes me as the sort of person who'd cave in tough, protracted negotiation, who'd piss down either or both his own trouser legs in the face of a big decision.Then there's the not inconsiderable history Labour politicians have of sloping off into the depths of the EU/ECB/IMF, post UK political career, to live off the gravy train. Do you really expect the turkeys to vote for Christmas?
Digga said:
edh said:
Why would Labour act against the interests of the UK?
Well for a start, can you honestly see Wallace (and his team) driving a good, hard bargain for the UK and actually being an agent for change? I'm sorry, but he really strikes me as the sort of person who'd cave in tough, protracted negotiation, who'd piss down either or both his own trouser legs in the face of a big decision.Then there's the not inconsiderable history Labour politicians have of sloping off into the depths of the EU/ECB/IMF, post UK political career, to live off the gravy train. Do you really expect the turkeys to vote for Christmas?
Welshbeef said:
One annoyance I have is that interviewers keep asking/srating to the PM you didn't deliver on your promise of no deficit after the current govt.
Reasons why they do.
Turns out the recession and decline pre new govt was vastly worse than they were aware
Labour had been hiding the fact that they had been running huge structural deficits since 2003
It's a coalition they couldn't do everything they wanted
Europe had massive issues not in the original forecast
Scotland for the last 2-3 years has been on pause due to the referendum so poor economic growth
Fines on the UK banks from the USA wiping out profits
Lots of plebs in the UK all after PPI wiping out the banks
New lending rules tight on the banks as they were zombie banks so had to earn their way out of it which took time.
BP mecondo well
Tax takes lower than planned due to point 1 the recession had been far worse than anyone had realised
They moved to plan C rather than press on with harder cuts to help the public
Bonkers PFI deals labour did for NHS costing future govt billions
Mass immigration and people living longer further increase in NHS costs
The fact that some individuals who don't work simply refuse to take any work as its "beneath them". So we get people on from Europe who will happily do the job and then we pay the non worker £26k in benefits... Mind boggles. If your able to work and cannot find work that you'd like to do then you man up take the job your offered of stop benefits. Find the job you want while you work
Lots of other things too but I'd say that covers this up quite nicely. Why does he and George not use it they pay lip service yet if they went a little granular Joe Bloggs can understand or think yes that's a fair point.
Lastly there has not been any austerity every year spend has increased - not sure how that would go down with voters
If they weren't able to understand most if not all of the above in 2010, they were incompetent. You're right that they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years (remember the economy was growing when they took office). They don't want to admit that the growth is as a result of their loosening. Suits the electoral cycle though..Reasons why they do.
Turns out the recession and decline pre new govt was vastly worse than they were aware
Labour had been hiding the fact that they had been running huge structural deficits since 2003
It's a coalition they couldn't do everything they wanted
Europe had massive issues not in the original forecast
Scotland for the last 2-3 years has been on pause due to the referendum so poor economic growth
Fines on the UK banks from the USA wiping out profits
Lots of plebs in the UK all after PPI wiping out the banks
New lending rules tight on the banks as they were zombie banks so had to earn their way out of it which took time.
BP mecondo well
Tax takes lower than planned due to point 1 the recession had been far worse than anyone had realised
They moved to plan C rather than press on with harder cuts to help the public
Bonkers PFI deals labour did for NHS costing future govt billions
Mass immigration and people living longer further increase in NHS costs
The fact that some individuals who don't work simply refuse to take any work as its "beneath them". So we get people on from Europe who will happily do the job and then we pay the non worker £26k in benefits... Mind boggles. If your able to work and cannot find work that you'd like to do then you man up take the job your offered of stop benefits. Find the job you want while you work
Lots of other things too but I'd say that covers this up quite nicely. Why does he and George not use it they pay lip service yet if they went a little granular Joe Bloggs can understand or think yes that's a fair point.
Lastly there has not been any austerity every year spend has increased - not sure how that would go down with voters
btw - I like some of your excuses - very creative....
"Plebs" claiming PPI because those lovely banks accidentally made a monumental mess and sold policies to people who would not ever be able to claim on them. How dare they!
US levying massive fines on UK banks because of trivial & minor oversights in governance (although I think it was banks' losses that wiped out tax payments, not fines)
"Zombie banks" - ah that won't be the bank's fault again would it?
People living longer...who would have thought it?
oh yes, and every "non-worker" gets £26k pa benefits...
edh said:
If they weren't able to understand most if not all of the above in 2010, they were incompetent. You're right that they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years (remember the economy was growing when they took office). They don't want to admit that the growth is as a result of their loosening. Suits the electoral cycle though..
btw - I like some of your excuses - very creative....
"Plebs" claiming PPI because those lovely banks accidentally made a monumental mess and sold policies to people who would not ever be able to claim on them. How dare they!
US levying massive fines on UK banks because of trivial & minor oversights in governance (although I think it was banks' losses that wiped out tax payments, not fines)
"Zombie banks" - ah that won't be the bank's fault again would it?
People living longer...who would have thought it?
oh yes, and every "non-worker" gets £26k pa benefits...
btw - I like some of your excuses - very creative....
"Plebs" claiming PPI because those lovely banks accidentally made a monumental mess and sold policies to people who would not ever be able to claim on them. How dare they!
US levying massive fines on UK banks because of trivial & minor oversights in governance (although I think it was banks' losses that wiped out tax payments, not fines)
"Zombie banks" - ah that won't be the bank's fault again would it?
People living longer...who would have thought it?
oh yes, and every "non-worker" gets £26k pa benefits...
+1Slightly O/T but interesting is the fact that, post GFC, concepts such as "debt" and "deficit" are now more commonly discussed by the man on the street and (marginally) better understood.
Now the political inepts (Ed balls for one) know these metrics are on the radar, they have to be a bit more creative in their fiscal fibbery.
Now the political inepts (Ed balls for one) know these metrics are on the radar, they have to be a bit more creative in their fiscal fibbery.
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