am i stupid or is this not such a simple thing that should

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jamie128 said:

be implemented to dole scroungers who cba to work?

For the ones who havent somehow claimed disability for 'depression/made up st' (I know depression is real but not in all these chavs it isent), why doesent david cameron arrange that they clean up litter in the street or undertake community service or they wont recieve thier dole money?

The streets would be cleaner, it would give a push for the chavs who cba to work to at least attempt to look for a different job and they would be working for the money they scrounge?

You think the streets would be cleaner after some chavs go litter picking

Highly unlikely

Sterlize them


the chavs not the streets

[Negative Creep]

Out of interest OP, how would you officially differentiate between a scrounger and someone trying and failing to find work?

[Eric Mc]

And does the OP think that "Depression" is a made up illness?

And if it isn't, how do you spot "genuine" depression from "made up" depression?

Is the OP qualified to tell the difference - if he thinks there is one, that is.

[maxrider]

'doesn't', 'shouldn't', 'couldn't', 'wouldn't', 'isn't'.

As in 'does not', 'should not', 'could not', 'would not', 'is not'.

There is no 'e'.

[TTwiggy]

It's great to see that Cameron's 'we're all in this together' has been taken to mean 'find someone worse off than yourself, and then kick them in the nuts', by posters such as the OP.

[s1962a]

Morally, I agree with the OP's view. People who can work, shouldn't scrounge off the state.

In practice though, how much extra in tax would the OP be willing to pay so that every dole candidate is put in some sort of work and training? It seems like employers aren't really queuing up to employ these people so some sort of inventive/bribe will have to be given to them to take these people on, and that will cost money. If it costs more to 'do the right thing' with this part of society then it may not be the most prudent thing to do at the moment.

[voyds9]

Wouldn't it far easier to have benefits on a reducing scale, the longer you are on them the less you get.

[stackmonkey]

davepoth said:

Frankly I'd be quite happy to do a couple of days a week for my dole,

Me too.

[TTwiggy]

voyds9 said:

Wouldn't it far easier to have benefits on a reducing scale, the longer you are on them the less you get.

A sliding scale down from the massive £67 per week that a single, unemployed person currently gets?

Yeah, why not, and while we're about it, we could start locking the disabled up in boxes, like they do in China too.

[voyds9]

TTwiggy said:

A sliding scale down from the massive £67 per week that a single, unemployed person currently gets?

Yeah, why not, and while we're about it, we could start locking the disabled up in boxes, like they do in China too.

Other benefits available for the single person

Attendance Allowance
Carer's Allowance
Child Benefit
Child Tax Credit
Council Tax Benefit
Disability Living Allowance
Housing Benefit
Income Support
Jobseeker's Allowance
Help specatcles
Help with dentistry
Help with prison vists
Help with wigs and prostheses
Help with costs of adult education

As for the disabled perhaps we could have a large box to save on the costs of boxes.

[iphonedyou]

Eric Mc said:

And does the OP think that "Depression" is a made up illness?

And if it isn't, how do you spot "genuine" depression from "made up" depression?

Is the OP qualified to tell the difference - if he thinks there is one, that is.

OP specifically stated in the first line of his post that he knows depression is real, and not made up in all cases.

There is a difference between genuine depression and made up depression. Insofar as the former is genuine and the latter is made up. I don't propose to know how to answer the question you've posed, though, and I absolutely realise the hardship that genuine depression can cause. Particularly to those actively seeking work, and those already working.

[Disco_Dale]

Caesar9 said:

3 months of serious job hunting and most people should be able to find an entry level job or something to tide them over until they can get properly back on their feet.

I'd be willing to bet you have no real world experience whatsoever of what it's like to find yourself unemployed in Britain today.

[Pothole]

Caesar9 said:

I think this would be a good idea for the long term unemployed. Say 3 months out of work and get them doing so many hours a week of "community service" for councils etc. I can't see it working though after all the news about big employers pulling out of a similar scheme last week.

Except none of them did.

[Pothole]

Disco_Dale said:

Caesar9 said:

3 months of serious job hunting and most people should be able to find an entry level job or something to tide them over until they can get properly back on their feet.

I'd be willing to bet you have no real world experience whatsoever of what it's like to find yourself unemployed in Britain today.

I'll bankroll the bet. Caesar9, you haven't a clue.

[0a]

Sorry, are you asking people to do anything at all for their benefit?

Bizarre!

Even when it could lead to a job, any work at all is bad.

The idea of us meanies suggesting anything like this makes us exactly equal to Hitler.

Post this on CIF and see the reaction

[deeps]

There's a guy in my local Wetherspoons, comes in late every night and pays for 2 pints of the cheapest beer (Ruddles) with his plastic. He hasn't worked for years, I've offered him work but he always finds an excuse. I'm pretty sure his intention is to never work again, but how they get away with that I do not know.

I like the OP's idea, but it's nothing new, I'd also like to see chain gangs brought back for offenders to repair roads etc, and yes I know there are many snags and drawbacks, but it could be implemented if the desire was there.

[davepoth]

New POD said:

davepoth said:

Frankly I'd be quite happy to do a couple of days a week for my dole, perhaps volunteering for a charity or similar.

Frankly whatever the charities would have you think, they don't want just anyone.


Wifey does a day a week for the CAB, and there was a proper interview and lots of applicants are not suitable.

Of course there are a great many people you would rather not have working, but I'm sure anyone who is on Jobseeker's would be capable of doing 16 hours a week of litterpicking on a verge, for example. I have far too much spare time on my hands even after spending a few hours a day trawling job websites and newspapers. I go and walk around the block in the city centre for an hour or two just for a change of scenery.

[Bing o]

Pothole said:

Disco_Dale said:

Caesar9 said:

3 months of serious job hunting and most people should be able to find an entry level job or something to tide them over until they can get properly back on their feet.

I'd be willing to bet you have no real world experience whatsoever of what it's like to find yourself unemployed in Britain today.

I'll bankroll the bet. Caesar9, you haven't a clue.

Why do you have to work for someone, why can't you start up a small business?

[AdeTuono]

voyds9 said:

..............Other benefits available for the single person

............. Help with wigs and prostheses ..........

NOW you're talking!

[Murph7355]

TTwiggy said:

A sliding scale down from the massive £67 per week that a single, unemployed person currently gets?

Yeah, why not, and while we're about it, we could start locking the disabled up in boxes, like they do in China too.

Do you always react this way to things?

I suppose you also believe all people in the finance industry are evil, and that anyone on above national average wage should be taxed at 98% to ensure those below it aren't worse off...

67 quid a week for doing feck all is a bad sum by your standards? Even without all the other add ons that get claimed for. How do you propose it's paid for?