Rebekah Brooks and others arrested on sus of PtCoJ
Discussion
Corsair7 said:
the police seem to have a trigger happy atitude to arresting people. Are they on some kind of bonus payment for arrests?
Until theres charges there's no reason to celebrate....
I thought that - how many people have been arrested and then nothing seems to happen, then you hear they've been arrested again. What happened with the first time they were arrested?Until theres charges there's no reason to celebrate....
Dixie68 said:
I thought that - how many people have been arrested and then nothing seems to happen, then you hear they've been arrested again. What happened with the first time they were arrested?
If you merely question someone without arresting them they can leave at any time. If you arrest them then you can question them in your time and under your control to an extent. If you question someone without arresting them and if they get up to leave you then arrest them, that has been deemed to be a discipline offence for the officer involved and contravenes the Code of Practice.The police cannot use common sense in most instances and have to follow procedure.
An arrest is not necessarily a precursor to a charge. In a complex case like this one (very complex) charges will probab ly not arise until the file has been submitted to the CPS, they have looked at the legal aspects and tried to fight off the politcal pressure, and then they come to a decision.
The suspects will then be arrested and charged. Those on bail and not to being charged will get a letter of phone call to say that they do not have to answer bail.
Sometimes I look at caes goig on and wish I was involved. I have to say that I don't envy the crew on this one.
There is a minefield out there than the SIO hae to go through.
Derek Smith said:
Dixie68 said:
I thought that - how many people have been arrested and then nothing seems to happen, then you hear they've been arrested again. What happened with the first time they were arrested?
If you merely question someone without arresting them they can leave at any time. If you arrest them then you can question them in your time and under your control to an extent. If you question someone without arresting them and if they get up to leave you then arrest them, that has been deemed to be a discipline offence for the officer involved and contravenes the Code of Practice.The police cannot use common sense in most instances and have to follow procedure.
An arrest is not necessarily a precursor to a charge. In a complex case like this one (very complex) charges will probab ly not arise until the file has been submitted to the CPS, they have looked at the legal aspects and tried to fight off the politcal pressure, and then they come to a decision.
The suspects will then be arrested and charged. Those on bail and not to being charged will get a letter of phone call to say that they do not have to answer bail.
Sometimes I look at caes goig on and wish I was involved. I have to say that I don't envy the crew on this one.
There is a minefield out there than the SIO hae to go through.
In an effort to prevent miscarriasges of justice the Police and Criminal Evidence Acts require bthe police to follow complex procedural processes.
Thie intention was to promote justice.
In reality the Policeman's lot is not a happy one, in consequence.
These cases will roll on for years.
The complexity and nature of the evidence and the aggrandisment and continuing powers of the miscreants are such that the course of justice will be painfully slow, lengthy and fractured.
Never underestimate very powerful men. Murdoch and Co remain very very powerful.
Would you want to be up against them.
A ruthless and dangerous enemy with international resources and unlimited funds?
Not me, nor most of the CPS and Police I suspect.
I will watch the actual charges laid, with interest.
These days in UK bail doesn't involve any money to guarantee the person's return. It's simply a technical word used, the significance being that if someone on bail fails to turn up when expected that is an offence in itself.
1. The police have power to release a person who has not been charged, on bail.
2. If a person has been charged, he must ordinarily be released unless he has a previous conviction for certain serious offences.
The accused MUST be released (either on bail or without bail) unless the police believe,
(i) the person arrested can't or won't give his true name and address
(ii) the person arrested will fail to appear in court
(iii) In the case of a person arrested for an imprisonable offence, the detention is necessary to prevent him from committing an offence
(iv) In the case of a person arrested for an offence that is not an imprisonable offence, the detention is necessary to prevent him from injuring someone or damaging property
(v) the person arrested will interfere with the administration of justice or with the investigation of offences
(vi) detention of the person arrested is necessary for his own protection.
If he is granted bail it will be bail to appear at a Magistrates' Court at the next available sitting.
1. The police have power to release a person who has not been charged, on bail.
2. If a person has been charged, he must ordinarily be released unless he has a previous conviction for certain serious offences.
The accused MUST be released (either on bail or without bail) unless the police believe,
(i) the person arrested can't or won't give his true name and address
(ii) the person arrested will fail to appear in court
(iii) In the case of a person arrested for an imprisonable offence, the detention is necessary to prevent him from committing an offence
(iv) In the case of a person arrested for an offence that is not an imprisonable offence, the detention is necessary to prevent him from injuring someone or damaging property
(v) the person arrested will interfere with the administration of justice or with the investigation of offences
(vi) detention of the person arrested is necessary for his own protection.
If he is granted bail it will be bail to appear at a Magistrates' Court at the next available sitting.
Jasandjules said:
turbobloke said:
Late to the action on this one due to negotiating sports traffic x2 but was RB not arrested for allegedly CtPtCoJ not suspicion of actually PtCoJ?
Yes I think so, conspiracy....... That's good enough in terms of sentencing however... 
k her
Jasandjules said:
Good stuff. Let's hope she goes to jail, along with many others. And if Mr BLiar is implicated, all the better for the current Govt is it not!??!
I think that if Blair goes under the cosh for this then so will Cameron. If anything, Cameron will go first. He has shown partiality towards NI's leaders and the favourites of the leaders. Blair, on the other hand, is away, gone. His offences are past so more has to be proved with him.Cameron was in bed with Murdoch and Brooks. He is the curtent PM. He is the one at risk.
Unfortunate, and more than just irritating, though it is, Blair is safe from all this. He might lose a bit of reputation. But so what? If anything he'll be able to charge more for his laying on of hands.
The only thing that Blair has ticking away I think is the illegal wars. It would be nice to get that on him. But the rich and powerful become rich and powerful by making friends and gaining influence. All that will happen to the Murdoch's at most is to lose a bit of money. Brooks might be collateral damage, as might Cameron, but they are big girls and boys. They were aware of the risks yet went ahead and took them.
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