Germany to ban religious genital mutilation?
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I never actually found it, (or missed it, there is football On after all), but will they ban 'any', ie adult circumcision, as well? If you choose to, fine. I object to little infants being done. In fact, I'd recommend watching the Penn and Teller Bulls
t show on circumcision. They even show one, and it is not nice viewing at all.
t show on circumcision. They even show one, and it is not nice viewing at all. Edited by TheHeretic on Wednesday 27th June 20:01
Jimbeaux said:
I disagree; I believe it is healthier to be circumsized. I gurantee that most males in the U.S. are circumsized yet most US males are not Muslim or Jewish.
No health organisation in the world endorses circumcision for health reasons.American Academy of Pediatrics said:
Scientific studies show some medical benefits of circumcision. However, these benefits are not sufficient for the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) to recommend that all infant boys be circumcised.
http://www.healthychildren.org/english/ages-stages...There are also health issue to being circumsized.
Canadian Paediatric Society said:
Of every 1,000 boys who are circumcised:
Of every 1,000 boys who are not circumcised:
http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/handouts/circumcis...- 20 to 30 will have a surgical complication, such as too much bleeding or infection in the area.
- 2 to 3 will have a more serious complication that needs more treatment. Examples include having too much skin removed or more serious bleeding.
- 2 will be admitted to hospital for a urinary tract infection (UTI) before they are one year old.
- About 10 babies may need to have the circumcision done again because of a poor result.
Of every 1,000 boys who are not circumcised:
- 7 will be admitted to hospital for a UTI before they are one year old.
- 10 will have a circumcision later in life for medical reasons, such as a condition called phimosis. Phimosis is when the opening of the foreskin is scarred and narrow because of infections in the area that keep coming back. Older children who are circumcised may need a general anesthetic, and may have more complications than newborns.
Both Norway and Germany have banned it for non-medical reasons.
Penn & Teller on circumcision (NSFW)
Jimbeaux said:
UF said:
Jimbeaux said:
I disagree; I believe it is healthier to be circumsized. I gurantee that most males in the U.S. are circumsized yet most US males are not Muslim or Jewish.
Isn't that the problem?
From WedMD:
"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
Stevenj214 said:
No health organisation in the world endorses circumcision for health reasons.
So what you actually meant was that they don't recommend routine circumcision for all infants then? That's quite different to no health organisation in the world recommending circumcision for health reasons.American Academy of Pediatrics said:
Scientific studies show some medical benefits of circumcision. However, these benefits are not sufficient for the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) to recommend that all infant boys be circumcised.
moleamol said:
Stevenj214 said:
No health organisation in the world endorses circumcision for health reasons.
So what you actually meant was that they don't recommend routine circumcision for all infants then? That's quite different to no health organisation in the world recommending circumcision for health reasons.American Academy of Pediatrics said:
Scientific studies show some medical benefits of circumcision. However, these benefits are not sufficient for the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) to recommend that all infant boys be circumcised.
Jimbeaux said:
From WedMD:
"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
so cut a newborn child's foreskin off"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
or
teach them to wash it and wear a condom
Jimbeaux said:
From WedMD:
"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
But that's like saying all everyone should have their appendix out at birth because some of them may develop appendicitis later in life."What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
Most men don't suffer from serious balanitis etc therefore have had an unnecessary operation. Face it, 99.9% of circumcisions are 'cultural' or religious not medical
Hopefully this will pass in Germany, it's about time that baby boys had equal protection in law from needless mutilation.
SteveJ and Vipers have laid it out pretty well really.
Prophylactic circumcision is quackery, plain and simple.
Studies in the US estimate that more boys die from circumcision complications each year in the US than either cot death or car accidents.
Studies have demonstrated the sensitivity loss, increases of inorgasmia in women with circumcised partners, increased rates of erectile dysfunction amongst other downsides. What you take from the boy you take from the man and all his sexual partners.
The rate over there is dropping fast though. In the late 90s it was over 90%, now its around 30%. Medicaid is defunding it, people are waking up to the harm it does and it's about time. I'd say in less than 10 years the rate will be less than 10%.
Thankfully Jim represents an opinion on the wane in the United States. I've debated many times with people of his opinion and for them ignorance is bliss, they choose not to see the harm done to them and done by them. C'est la vie.
SteveJ and Vipers have laid it out pretty well really.
Prophylactic circumcision is quackery, plain and simple.
Studies in the US estimate that more boys die from circumcision complications each year in the US than either cot death or car accidents.
Studies have demonstrated the sensitivity loss, increases of inorgasmia in women with circumcised partners, increased rates of erectile dysfunction amongst other downsides. What you take from the boy you take from the man and all his sexual partners.
The rate over there is dropping fast though. In the late 90s it was over 90%, now its around 30%. Medicaid is defunding it, people are waking up to the harm it does and it's about time. I'd say in less than 10 years the rate will be less than 10%.
Thankfully Jim represents an opinion on the wane in the United States. I've debated many times with people of his opinion and for them ignorance is bliss, they choose not to see the harm done to them and done by them. C'est la vie.
Edited by Marf on Wednesday 27th June 20:42
Norfolkit said:
Jimbeaux said:
From WedMD:
"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
But that's like saying all everyone should have their appendix out at birth because some of them may develop appendicitis later in life."What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
Most men don't suffer from serious balanitis etc therefore have had an unnecessary operation. Face it, 99.9% of circumcisions are 'cultural' or religious not medical
Jimbeaux said:
From WedMD:
"What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
mental."What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections."
Again, make up your own mind. If parents think the above benefits apply, they should do what they feel is best for their children.
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