israel at it again .....
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kuzushi said:
hesnotthemessiah said:
I have no axe to grind either way but look at it another way. They're (give or take) 3m Jews/Israelis surrounded by (give or take) 300m Muslims/Arabs.....every single one of them wants their annihilation.
The Palestinians (et al) don't want peace, that's the last thing they want. Every deal that's ever been brokered its never enough, every concession given is never enough. They don't want Israel to exist period.
There are how many muslim Arab nations? About 20.The Palestinians (et al) don't want peace, that's the last thing they want. Every deal that's ever been brokered its never enough, every concession given is never enough. They don't want Israel to exist period.
There are how many Jewish nations? Just one.
The Palestinians could easily be absorbed into any of the many Arab nations that exist, but the Arab league refuses to allow them to become citizens of any other Arab country purely so that they can remain a thorn in Israel's side and keep the pressure up on Israel.
Take a five-minute break to the anti-Israel rhetoric to ask yourself:
If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Now - back to the ranting.
If it WAS Israel Air Force planes they would have to overfly Egyptian and/or Saudi air space. How did they do this without being detected by state-of-the-art air defence systems? Unless: (a) they weren't IAF planes (b) had permission to overfly the area.
Now - back to the ranting.
Edited by audidoody on Friday 26th October 15:26
Muntu said:
menguin said:
Are people seriously suggesting that Israel has done no wrong since its inception?
What about the Bedouin people?
They have been pretty well behaved tooWhat about the Bedouin people?
I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that Israel has done no wrong since it's inception, but I do know that they have higher IQs than anyone else (Ashkenazic Jews have an average IQ of one standard deviation above the mean, or an average IQ of 115), so perhaps we should give them a bit of credit/respect for that, and trust them to know what they're doing.
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000 or 20% of the world population = 4 Nobel Prizes.
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 or about 0.02% of the world population = over 130 Nobel Prizes.
menguin said:
Are people seriously suggesting that Israel has done no wrong since its inception?
What about the Bedouin people?
Apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Bedouin ever done for us?What about the Bedouin people?
RedTrident said:
DJRC said:
Why? They are our ally, Sudan isnt. Tough s
t to the Sudanese. Life's a bh, get used to it.
How is Israel our ally?t to the Sudanese. Life's a bh, get used to it.Didn't they fake a load of UK passports a few years ago and then go murder people?
Israel is our ally due to geo-political reality and business links.
There is no such thing as right/wrong/moral/ethical/legal/illegal in international politics. There is only successful or not.
discusdave said:
THIS is a state sponsored terrorist act!
pure and simple.
By an apartheid state.pure and simple.
When do we start imposing sanctions?
And then there is America using drones to bomb foreign countries all over the Middle East & Pakistan.
They need sanctions too?
And the countries that are helping them.
So let's sanction the UK!
TBH it is never going to stop until there are no Muslims or no Jews. Even then someone will still cause trouble. Likely the Christians.
The ownership of the patch of land we currently call Israel has changed hands so many times it is untrue.
I'm not sure that anyone has a valid claim on it as being part of 'their' country but the Jewish were promised a home state and that is what they were given. Shame is that they wanted it to be their biblical homeland, site of (iirc) 3 of the 4 most religious places on earth for numerous religions and as a result they will always be at war.
Shame they didn't like the look of Australia.
Ultimately no one will win unless you are Martian with a building firm as by the time all the vested interests have had their way Mars will be more habitable than the Earth. But at least one of the God bothering bunch will be proved right, if their God(s) exist(s). Sadly no one will be alive to tell though.
The ownership of the patch of land we currently call Israel has changed hands so many times it is untrue.
I'm not sure that anyone has a valid claim on it as being part of 'their' country but the Jewish were promised a home state and that is what they were given. Shame is that they wanted it to be their biblical homeland, site of (iirc) 3 of the 4 most religious places on earth for numerous religions and as a result they will always be at war.
Shame they didn't like the look of Australia.
Ultimately no one will win unless you are Martian with a building firm as by the time all the vested interests have had their way Mars will be more habitable than the Earth. But at least one of the God bothering bunch will be proved right, if their God(s) exist(s). Sadly no one will be alive to tell though.
Rude-boy said:
TBH it is never going to stop until there are no Muslims or no Jews.
The ownership of the patch of land we currently call Israel has changed hands so many times it is untrue.
I'm not sure that anyone has a valid claim on it as being part of 'their' country but the Jewish were promised a home state and that is what they were given. Shame is that they wanted it to be their biblical homeland, site of (iirc) 3 of the 4 most religious places on earth for numerous religions and as a result they will always be at war.
Shame they didn't like the look of Australia.
Ultimately no one will win unless you are Martian with a building firm as by the time all the vested interests have had their way Mars will be more habitable than the Earth. But at least one of the God bothering bunch will be proved right, if their God(s) exist(s). Sadly no one will be alive to tell though.
Jerusalem isn't all that holy for muslims. Mecca is the holiest site for islam, followed by Medina. Jerusalem only ranks third at best for muslims, while it is #1 for Jews.The ownership of the patch of land we currently call Israel has changed hands so many times it is untrue.
I'm not sure that anyone has a valid claim on it as being part of 'their' country but the Jewish were promised a home state and that is what they were given. Shame is that they wanted it to be their biblical homeland, site of (iirc) 3 of the 4 most religious places on earth for numerous religions and as a result they will always be at war.
Shame they didn't like the look of Australia.
Ultimately no one will win unless you are Martian with a building firm as by the time all the vested interests have had their way Mars will be more habitable than the Earth. But at least one of the God bothering bunch will be proved right, if their God(s) exist(s). Sadly no one will be alive to tell though.
Rude-boy said:
TBH it is never going to stop until there are no Muslims or no Jews. Even then someone will still cause trouble. Likely the Christians.
The ownership of the patch of land we currently call Israel has changed hands so many times it is untrue.
I'm not sure that anyone has a valid claim on it as being part of 'their' country but the Jewish were promised a home state and that is what they were given. Shame is that they wanted it to be their biblical homeland, site of (iirc) 3 of the 4 most religious places on earth for numerous religions and as a result they will always be at war.
Shame they didn't like the look of Australia.
Ultimately no one will win unless you are Martian with a building firm as by the time all the vested interests have had their way Mars will be more habitable than the Earth. But at least one of the God bothering bunch will be proved right, if their God(s) exist(s). Sadly no one will be alive to tell though.
Quite so The ownership of the patch of land we currently call Israel has changed hands so many times it is untrue.
I'm not sure that anyone has a valid claim on it as being part of 'their' country but the Jewish were promised a home state and that is what they were given. Shame is that they wanted it to be their biblical homeland, site of (iirc) 3 of the 4 most religious places on earth for numerous religions and as a result they will always be at war.
Shame they didn't like the look of Australia.
Ultimately no one will win unless you are Martian with a building firm as by the time all the vested interests have had their way Mars will be more habitable than the Earth. But at least one of the God bothering bunch will be proved right, if their God(s) exist(s). Sadly no one will be alive to tell though.
For anyone interested, I recommend reading Jerusalem by Simon Sebag Montifiore. It is the history of Jerusalem and the really depressing thing is that this stuff has been going on for thousands of years, with the fighting being over more or less the same issues, right up to the present day.
Its never going to end, even if the countries involved end up turned into glass, when the dust eventually settles, the whole game will start all over again.
CBR JGWRR said:
kuzushi said:
hesnotthemessiah said:
I have no axe to grind either way but look at it another way. They're (give or take) 3m Jews/Israelis surrounded by (give or take) 300m Muslims/Arabs.....every single one of them wants their annihilation.
The Palestinians (et al) don't want peace, that's the last thing they want. Every deal that's ever been brokered its never enough, every concession given is never enough. They don't want Israel to exist period.
There are how many muslim Arab nations? About 20.The Palestinians (et al) don't want peace, that's the last thing they want. Every deal that's ever been brokered its never enough, every concession given is never enough. They don't want Israel to exist period.
There are how many Jewish nations? Just one.
The Palestinians could easily be absorbed into any of the many Arab nations that exist, but the Arab league refuses to allow them to become citizens of any other Arab country purely so that they can remain a thorn in Israel's side and keep the pressure up on Israel.
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