Ken Livingston turns down CBE

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Mojooo

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186 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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don4l said:
I agree. If he had been offered a knighthood, or a peerage, I bet that he would have accepted.

Need one mention Lord (I will never accept a peerage) Prescott?

Hypocritical socialists. Detestable creatures.


Don
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I saw Prescott on Question Time a (long) while back and he said that he never actually said he wouldn't accept a peerage - he made a good case and of course those comments are attributed to the press and are probably not reliable.

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

163 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Mojooo said:
don4l said:
I agree. If he had been offered a knighthood, or a peerage, I bet that he would have accepted.

Need one mention Lord (I will never accept a peerage) Prescott?

Hypocritical socialists. Detestable creatures.


Don
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I saw Prescott on Question Time a (long) while back and he said that he never actually said he wouldn't accept a peerage - he made a good case and of course those comments are attributed to the press and are probably not reliable.
I saw him on Newsnight in 2008 saying he definitely wouldn't accept a peerage even though his wife Pauline insisted he should.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

252 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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PH is laughable.

  • One thread saying people aren't fit to receive awards.
  • Another thread saying people aren't fit to turn down awards.

DJRC

23,563 posts

242 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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craigjm said:
the British Empire as it was built on misery, oppression, exploitation and greed.
They are all the good bits!

Jasandjules

70,474 posts

235 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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For some reason (personal dislike I suppose) I can't imagine he did this out of honour or decency but for political points.

g3org3y

20,962 posts

197 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Morningside said:
Why did they include a photo of Michael Jackson!?


98elise

28,086 posts

167 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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smn159 said:
Apparently Danny Boyle turned one down as well, on the basis that he was proud to be an equal citizen.

Is he a detestable creature too?
Does he turn down all the money he is offered for work, or does he take that?

Not quite so equal is he smile

Eric Mc

122,789 posts

271 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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don4l said:
I'm from a country that was subjucated by your country.

However, I am lucky enough to be(relatively) free of chips on my shoulder.

You don't know how lucky you are to have such a wonderful Queen.

Don
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Ireland wasn't especially subjugated by Britain - the poor people of all of the British Isles were subjugated by the ruling classes of the British Isles - as was the way of things for centuries.

I'm all for honours - but far too many are dished out to undeserving individuals. They should be far more meanly distributed.

TwigtheWonderkid

44,556 posts

156 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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don4l said:
I agree. If he had been offered a knighthood, or a peerage, I bet that he would have accepted.

Need one mention Lord (I will never accept a peerage) Prescott?

Hypocritical socialists. Detestable creatures.


Don
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What a pathetic post. You're brain has been addled by hatred. You loathe him so much that you look for excuses to attack the enemy even when they're right! Pitiful really, quite pitiful.

You haven't got one iota of evidence to suggest Livingstone would have accepted a knighthood. Other than to go on about Prescott. But Prescott is a different person, you fool!!!!

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

253 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Eric Mc said:
I'm all for honours - but far too many are dished out to undeserving individuals. They should be far more meanly distributed.
Quite. I just couldn't believe Hector Sants of the FSA has been knighted. He's a horrible little puffed up toad of a man who presided over a regulatory regime which allowed the PPI scandal, swaps scandal, Northern Rock and other bank failures, he let mortgage lending run out of control leading to the credit crunch and god knows what else.

In any decently run country he'd have been out on his arse years ago, but here in the UK he pays himself and his FSA mates a fat bonus, clears off to Barclays on £3m a year and now gets a gong. Like someone above says, we need to take a long hard look at ourselves.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

204 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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so can anyone inform me of the financial benefits of receiving various levels of honors.

im sure people dont accept "meeting the queen" as full and final reward of these honors

smn159

13,369 posts

223 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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98elise said:
Does he turn down all the money he is offered for work, or does he take that?

Not quite so equal is he smile
He did a job and was paid the going rate, so I'm not sure that I see your problem with that or how it's relevant to turning down an honour. Unless you think that everyone should be paid the same, regardless of what they do?

TwigtheWonderkid

44,556 posts

156 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Andy Zarse said:
Quite. I just couldn't believe Hector Sants of the FSA has been knighted. He's a horrible little puffed up toad of a man who presided over a regulatory regime which allowed the PPI scandal, swaps scandal, Northern Rock and other bank failures, he let mortgage lending run out of control leading to the credit crunch and god knows what else.

In any decently run country he'd have been out on his arse years ago, but here in the UK he pays himself and his FSA mates a fat bonus, clears off to Barclays on £3m a year and now gets a gong. Like someone above says, we need to take a long hard look at ourselves.
I don't like Hector Sants very much but the above is a completely unfair demolition of a reasonable decent man.

1. He took over FSA in July 07, in reality far too late to implement any changes that could have stopped the crisis a year later. And he would have struggled, because he has to follow government policy. He can't make up new bank regulation, just implement the lack of regulation the govt decided upon.

2. He took a drop in pay to do the job, in a past life he was a highly successful Credit Suisse banker.

3. As for being "out on his arse", he wishes. He quit in 2010 because he didn't want to do the job and had an offer to earn 3 times as much doing something he wanted to do, but the chancellor begged him to stay on and oversee the transfer of FSA powers to the BoE.



SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

204 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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i would have done a better job for the same money

TwigtheWonderkid

44,556 posts

156 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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SystemParanoia said:
i would have done a better job for the same money
Maybe so. Post your CV on here so we can all review it and come to an independent view on that!! hehe

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

204 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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thats not how it works nono

i get the job.. walk out after 52 hours due to "stress" or some other BS .. then walk away with a golden goodbye valued in the millions.. everybody's happy, everybody wins hehe

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

253 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Andy Zarse said:
Quite. I just couldn't believe Hector Sants of the FSA has been knighted. He's a horrible little puffed up toad of a man who presided over a regulatory regime which allowed the PPI scandal, swaps scandal, Northern Rock and other bank failures, he let mortgage lending run out of control leading to the credit crunch and god knows what else.

In any decently run country he'd have been out on his arse years ago, but here in the UK he pays himself and his FSA mates a fat bonus, clears off to Barclays on £3m a year and now gets a gong. Like someone above says, we need to take a long hard look at ourselves.
I don't like Hector Sants very much but the above is a completely unfair demolition of a reasonable decent man.

1. He took over FSA in July 07, in reality far too late to implement any changes that could have stopped the crisis a year later. And he would have struggled, because he has to follow government policy. He can't make up new bank regulation, just implement the lack of regulation the govt decided upon.

2. He took a drop in pay to do the job, in a past life he was a highly successful Credit Suisse banker.

3. As for being "out on his arse", he wishes. He quit in 2010 because he didn't want to do the job and had an offer to earn 3 times as much doing something he wanted to do, but the chancellor begged him to stay on and oversee the transfer of FSA powers to the BoE.
1. He was appointed FSA MD in charge of markets wef 2004. So he had a very senior say in policy making.

2. So what?

3. The FSA under him for 5 years was so successful it is being wound up as its deemed not fit for purpose.

Why do you think somebody who did nothing to even look into the miselling of PPI deserves a knighthood?

colonel c

7,903 posts

245 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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It looks to me as the liberal sprinkling of honours to our 'Olympic Stars' is a clever method of shrouding the usual hand-outs of titles to the undeserving, Mrs Blair and Mr Sants being notable examples. I suspect closer scrutiny of the full list would revel a healthy bag of questionable names that are also linked to the financial and political sectors too.

As for Ken Livigstone. The London Olympics would not have happened without his support. So if they are dishing out honours to all and sundry involved with the games he is as much 'deserving' as any of the other administrators on the list. However to his credit he stood by his stated principles and rejected the award.


Caulkhead

4,938 posts

163 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
PH is laughable.

  • One thread saying people aren't fit to receive awards.
  • Another thread saying people aren't fit to turn down awards.
What's laughable about people having differing opinions on an internet forum?

Silver

4,373 posts

232 months

Monday 31st December 2012
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98elise said:
Does he turn down all the money he is offered for work, or does he take that?

Not quite so equal is he smile
What a strange post. What does Boyle being paid for work he does have to do with accepting a CBE or equality?