Army Replaces Browning with Glock

[ninja-lewis]

Motorrad said:

I've had both. The Glock is cheaper and just as efficient/accurate.

The Sig wins out by virtue that it's easily adaptable for a left handed shooter I suppose but is it really worth spending so much more for the few serving lefties?

More so when the SA80 family can't be properly used left handed either.

[CaptainSlow]

Oakey said:

That's £360 a gun, Google says they're about $500 in the US. This has to be a mistake? We've managed to procure something without spending 10x the normal price?

Is the $500 retail? We haven't got much of a discount for buying 25,000 then.

[Defcon5]

CaptainSlow said:

Is the $500 retail? We haven't got much of a discount for buying 25,000 then.

That thought did occur to me too - some people just don't like haggling though

[DoubleSix]

Well it is only the equivilent of what a small town in middle America struck by hysteria might buy up in a matter of days....

[IroningMan]

Presumably the price includes at least some support, tools, cleaning kits etc.

I used to like my Browning - helped to have a long middle finger. And how can a pistol really be 'handed'?

[DonkeyApple]

ninja-lewis said:

Motorrad said:

I've had both. The Glock is cheaper and just as efficient/accurate.

The Sig wins out by virtue that it's easily adaptable for a left handed shooter I suppose but is it really worth spending so much more for the few serving lefties?

More so when the SA80 family can't be properly used left handed either.

Left handed people are evil. I don't think we should be arming evil people.

[DoubleSix]

IroningMan said:

I used to like my Browning - helped to have a long middle finger. And how can a pistol really be 'handed'?

Ergonomic grip molds, shirley?

[speedtwelve]

As touched on above, going for the Glock over the Sig is probably largely down to the vast quantities of 9mm rounds already held in armouries.

[gazchap]

DoubleSix said:

Ergonomic grip molds, shirley?

Also mag release and slide lock, I'd have thought.

[BaronVonVTEC]

Not sure where you guys are getting your facts, but the Sig that we currently have in service is 9mm. Most Sig models are available in different calibres. I'm not sure what else they were trialing, but I would bet a months wages that all pistols on test fired a 9mm round.

On a side note, as for the left handed thing - most people who join the Forces have little to no experience of firearms, so it's easy enough to train a lefty to fire right handed.

Edited by BaronVonVTEC on Friday 11th January 18:54

Edited by BaronVonVTEC on Friday 11th January 18:57

[mackie1]

Are there plans to replace the L85A2 or is everyone pretty happy with it now?

[Pesty]

speedtwelve said:

As touched on above, going for the Glock over the Sig is probably largely down to the vast quantities of 9mm rounds already held in armouries.

All these pistols come in all various calibers sig make many variants in 9mm.

9mm .40 cal .45, The Glock comes in 10mm as well as its own shortened .45 gap round.

9mm is the round chosen by Nato as the standard round just like 5.56 is for the rifles although some units will use other calibers like .45 etc etc just like 7.62 is still used.


I imagine they tested all the usual suspects M&P/XD/ FNP/ FNS/ P30/USP. Glock probably gave the biggest discount which is very odd as we usually go for the most expensive. They probably decided they wanted a plastic striker fired pistol.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 11th January 20:12

[Walter Sobchak]

speedtwelve said:

As touched on above, going for the Glock over the Sig is probably largely down to the vast quantities of 9mm rounds already held in armouries.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you can get a 9mm Sig Sauer?.

[Pesty]

Walter Sobchak said:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you can get a 9mm Sig Sauer?.

You are not wrong we have already corrected him.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Not knowing anything about guns, when I read the title of this thread I thought Browning was a person, head of the army in Afghanistan or something, who been sacked and replace by Glock, another senior army figure!

I've heard of Smith & Wesson, and Kalashnikov, but that's about it!

[Mojocvh]

pfft, wasted opportunity. .45 ACP Glock 30C, 13 rounds, pisses on 17x9mm any day. Especially for substance enhanced suicide wannabes....big, slow bullets...

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/p...

Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 11th January 20:54

[Motorrad]

DonkeyApple said:

Left handed people are evil. I don't think we should be arming evil people.

Commenting as a sinistral who has out performed right handers while shooting from my non-dominant hand; I can see where you are coming from. You need to keep the superior performers down.

[Motorrad]

IroningMan said:

I used to like my Browning - helped to have a long middle finger. And how can a pistol really be 'handed'?

Mag release on the wrong side for a leftie (it's possible to work around this obviously). You can reverse this on a P226 with some messing around.

[jaybarts]

Not sure how this is news? We replaced all our brownings in 2007...

[Motorrad]

jaybarts said:

Not sure how this is news? We replaced all our brownings in 2007...

The article seems to indicate it's a new contract saving all you UK tax paying types some money so it can be spent on sky subscriptions and X5s for orange women with children on benefits who watch Jeremy Kyle or something. Be gentle with me it's been a while since I lived on the Sceptic Isle.