Chavez is dead

[ClassicMotorNut]

sjn2004 said:

Venezuela is the most f++ked up country I've ever spent time in, the guy destroyed it. Anybody who THINKS he helped the poor is totally disillusional.

Surely you mean delusional?

Oh well, good riddance to the bd.

[Caulkhead]

GentleFellow said:

Chavez = helped the poor, attacked the rich, died.
You = helped the rich (yourself), attacked the poor (online), ageing.

Maggie next? Let's see if you are all so jokey about her death.

Night night, Mr. X. Pensive-Carr...

From GentleFellow's profile:

"my views and ideas about the world are naive and incorrect."

Many a word written in jest etc.

[Fittster]

sjn2004 said:

Fittster said:

sjn2004 said:

GentleFellow said:

Chavez = helped the poor, attacked the rich, died.
You = helped the rich (yourself), attacked the poor (online), ageing.

Maggie next? Let's see if you are all so jokey about her death.

Night night, Mr. X. Pensive-Carr...

GentleFellow = knows nothing.

I was in the Sq in Altamira back in Nov 03 when the opposition had set up camp there. A few days after I left some of Hugo's cronies started randomly shooting people from roof tops killing three I seem to remember. The guy destroyed his own country.

Whereas in Bahrain they kill the opposition but give us cheap oil.

Venezuela is the most f++ked up country I've ever spent time in, the guy destroyed it. Anybody who THINKS he helped the poor is totally disillusional.

Can't see where I lauded Bahrain in my post??

"The facts speak for themselves: the percentage of households in poverty fell from 55% in 1995 to 26.4% in 2009. When Chávez was sworn into office unemployment was 15%, in June 2009 it was 7.8%. Compare that to current unemployment figures in Europe. In that period Chávez won 56% of the vote in 1998, 60% in 2000, survived a coup d'état in 2002, got over 7m votes in 2006 and secured 54.4% of the vote last October. "

[mybrainhurts]

Muntu said:

Obama said to be devastated

And whistling more than usual....

[mat777]

Some total idiot on my facebook feed is spouting "this is grim... who's gonna stop the yanks plundering the largest oil field in the Americas now if not chavez? this man genuinely was a fking hero"

Talk about being in cloud cuckoo land....

[Colonial]

Fittster said:

"The facts speak for themselves: the percentage of households in poverty fell from 55% in 1995 to 26.4% in 2009. When Chávez was sworn into office unemployment was 15%, in June 2009 it was 7.8%. Compare that to current unemployment figures in Europe. In that period Chávez won 56% of the vote in 1998, 60% in 2000, survived a coup d'état in 2002, got over 7m votes in 2006 and secured 54.4% of the vote last October. "

So you're saying that he managed to actually improve the situation for the poorer people in the country, at the expense of the profits of foreign companies?

What a tt.

[Fishtigua]

Good fking riddance. The bd ruined the country, killed business and strangled free speech. The elections should throw up some truths about how much money has blindly pissed up the wall on his mindless socialist programs. He was a nutter in the true sense of the word.

[MarshPhantom]

Fishtigua said:

Good fking riddance.

Nice.

[hidetheelephants]

Hopefully the next banana republican won't spend all of the royalties not earmarked for expenses on crappy russian defence equipment. I wonder if they'll be as keen to prop up Kirchner?

[Pints]

If Mugabe or Castro were to pop clogs next week, I suspect the world would rejoice.
Why does there seem to be such a large divide in opinions of Chavez?

Edited by Pints on Wednesday 6th March 06:38

[Andy Zarse]

MarshPhantom said:

Fishtigua said:

Good fking riddance.

Nice.

Wait until Castro dies and you'll have more than "nice" to say when you read what I put about that piece of crap.

[alfaman]

Colonial said:

So you're saying that he managed to actually improve the situation for the poorer people in the country, at the expense of the profits of foreign companies?

What a tt.

A tt indeed ... he can take credit for one of the highest murder rates in the world, endemic corruption, and lack of free-speech.

gotta hand it to him

[speedy_thrills]

His brand of socialism wasn't my cup of tea, his ideas had weaknesses but he also did some good. It's easy to be an armchair expert on his mistakes but he took the risks, didn't all pan out but at least he had the courage of his convictions.

[anonymous-user]

He must have had some support to pick on the powerful and influential rich elite and stay in power for 15 years, having been re-elected each time.

Speelingauto!

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 6th March 07:57

[Art0ir]

I never understand the animosity towards him on here. No one actually buys the "But, but, but Dermocracy dur?" line from the US any more surely?

[Smiler.]

Livingston on R4 now. IRA, Chavez, he must constantly swell with pride.

The right-thinking part of his brain must be mynewt.

[JagLover]

Art0ir said:

I never understand the animosity towards him on here. No one actually buys the "But, but, but Dermocracy dur?" line from the US any more surely?

Because he has destroyed his economy (a high oil price is partly masking this for now) and set up an elective dictatorship perhaps?

The left will eulogise him, as they do all left wing dictators and wannabe dictators, but that doesn’t mean we should. Yes he did set up some social programmes to help the poor, but so have the Brazilians and they haven’t destroyed the private sector while doing it.

[BOR]

sjn2004 said:

He also removed the licenses of radio stations/TV stations that didn't support him. As an analogy a bit like Gordon Brown banning all TV/newpapers bar the BBC and DailyMirror/Guardian before the last general election.

Do you mean the TV stations who openly called for his assassination ? TV stations who manipulated video footage of Chavez supporters shooting "innocent civilians in the square". Do you mean the TV stations who backed the coup against him ?

[Art0ir]

JagLover said:

Art0ir said:

I never understand the animosity towards him on here. No one actually buys the "But, but, but Dermocracy dur?" line from the US any more surely?

Because he has destroyed his economy (a high oil price is partly masking this for now) and set up an elective dictatorship perhaps?

The left will eulogise him, as they do all left wing dictators and wannabe dictators, but that doesn’t mean we should. Yes he did set up some social programmes to help the poor, but so have the Brazilians and they haven’t destroyed the private sector while doing it.

How does the private sector in Venezuela affect you?

So he was a socialist. It's hardly rare to see them in South America, certainly not since the yanks were kicked out. His approval ratings were still well over 50% amongst the populace, so what's the problem?

[MarshPhantom]

Andy Zarse said:

MarshPhantom said:

Fishtigua said:

Good fking riddance.

Nice.

Wait until Castro dies and you'll have more than "nice" to say when you read what I put about that piece of crap.

I look forward to reading your balanced assessment of Castro's life.