Junker and dave

[steveT350C]

Guam said:

steveT350C said:

Hannan in the Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2673698/...

Good piece from Hanan as usual, how long before gets the whip withdrawn though?

He is certainly not holding back with his views. As I mentioned on UKIP thread, anti-EU articles and statements are becoming ever more common in MSM

[Art0ir]

He has a point though, doesn't he?

The EU has no interest in even slowing down the march towards a United States of Europe (a phrase that was once the preserve of pseudo right wing conspiracy websites), never mind reform.

Anyone with a brain knew that, yet the Tories and their supporters said "No, no, no! Dave has them wrapped around his finger, wait 'til you see!"

Well we came, we saw and now it's time to leave.

[league67]

Guam said:

Look stop now you are taking utter rubbish and have no clue what the issues are and you insist on threads of picking up on my posts despite me telling you repeatedly to seek your trolling fun elsewhere. That is my last request of you as I have now asked you several times.

Now kindly do one.

Kindly do one? You should be careful with that kind of language otherwise gug or steve700d might take offence, they are sensitive you know.

Back to the matter at hand. You know less than nothing. Everything about VAT Return is very simple, unless you are terminally stupid. No issues. Unlike you, I've evidence for what I type.

As it's a public forum you get no saying in what people type (or ignore for that matter). There are issues with EU, VAT accounting is certainly not one of them (nor is working hours directive).

Now go back to replying with smileys, you'll look less stupid.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/international/...

I know it's not bullet point list of 'top 10 arguments for forums' but almost as good. Apologies to members of "People's Army" for non-quido and non-breitard link.

[steveT350C]

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[league67]

Lol, the 'People's Army', obedient if not clever.

Fun though.

[markh1973]

Guam said:

markh1973 said:

But transfer pricing is nothing to do with EU membership so if those companies are playing transfer pricing games then they can do that inside or outside the EU.

Indeed they can, but its easier within the EU is it not?

The point I am making (it was somewhat tongue in cheek in fairness) is that this Business Vote is a select number of companies who are likely the biggest players in the "tax optimisation" games that have been in the news lately (hence using Luxembourg and Irish head offices etc)

Just to add to your knowledge. Nope makes absolutely no difference the location of the entities involved. TP is TP.

TP agreements are usually simply arm's length prices so what would two third parties pay/demand in respect of the service/goods.

[Andy Zarse]

league67 said:

Lol, the 'People's Army', obedient if not clever.

Fun though.

I am for one prepared to accept your knowledge base and intellect at face value and not get into a slanging match. Can you please give us your opinion on how the EU's MiFID has impacted on markets, and also where you think MiFID II will take us?

Thanks

[Mojocvh]

league67 said:

Lol, the 'People's Army', obedient if not clever.

Fun though.

http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/article/europe-wants-end-uks-vat-breaks/560440

"Baker Tilly’s David Wilson warned that the UK’s muti-rate VAT regime will come under pressure at the European summit this week.

In a country-specific policy statement issued earlier this month, the European Council said, “To assist with fiscal consolidation, consideration should be given to raising revenues through broadening the tax base.”

[TuscanOwner]

Andy Zarse, you might have missed this because it is now a few pages ago, but I would appreciate an answer. I am intrigued as to what/why the EU is causing an issue in this way

TuscanOwner said:

Andy Zarse said:

Not only is absolutely nothing extra needed in our case, in fact nothing at all is required. That's because the EU specifically bans our business from providing our services to residents of other member states. We can have clients almost anywhere, but if they live have the nerve to move from Dover to Calais that's the end of our relationship with them.

It's fine though if they move to Geneva, or even Bangkok.

Yet another one of the huge advantages to UK exporters from our expensive EU membership.

I'm intrigued, what business services are those?

[Andy Zarse]

TuscanOwner said:

Andy Zarse, you might have missed this because it is now a few pages ago, but I would appreciate an answer. I am intrigued as to what/why the EU is causing an issue in this way

TuscanOwner said:

Andy Zarse said:

Not only is absolutely nothing extra needed in our case, in fact nothing at all is required. That's because the EU specifically bans our business from providing our services to residents of other member states. We can have clients almost anywhere, but if they live have the nerve to move from Dover to Calais that's the end of our relationship with them.

It's fine though if they move to Geneva, or even Bangkok.

Yet another one of the huge advantages to UK exporters from our expensive EU membership.

I'm intrigued, what business services are those?

Sorry, yes I meant to draw your attention to my reply to League

Just google MiFID... it affects financial intermediation.

[plasticpig]

Mojocvh said:

http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/article/europe-want...

"Baker Tilly’s David Wilson warned that the UK’s muti-rate VAT regime will come under pressure at the European summit this week.

In a country-specific policy statement issued earlier this month, the European Council said, “To assist with fiscal consolidation, consideration should be given to raising revenues through broadening the tax base.”

IIRC there was a move a few years back to abolish the zero rate on childrens clothing and footwear as only the UK and Ireland zero rated these items. I wouldn't have thought it an obvious target for criticism as plenty of other countries have lower or zero rates for the oddest things. Several countries have lower rates for hairdressing for example.

[league67]

Andy Zarse said:

I am for one prepared to accept your knowledge base and intellect at face value and not get into a slanging match. Can you please give us your opinion on how the EU's MiFID has impacted on markets, and also where you think MiFID II will take us?

Thanks

Absolutely no opinion on the subject.

You are very welcome.

[league67]

Mojocvh said:

http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/article/europe-want...

"Baker Tilly’s David Wilson warned that the UK’s muti-rate VAT regime will come under pressure at the European summit this week.

In a country-specific policy statement issued earlier this month, the European Council said, “To assist with fiscal consolidation, consideration should be given to raising revenues through broadening the tax base.”

Thanks for that, interesting article; I have a few minutes off, so I had a brief scan of the original document.

The first page of the document

http://ec.europa.eu/europe2020/pdf/csr2014/csr2014...

is

EU said:

Recommendation for a
COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION
on the United Kingdom's 2014 national reform programme

and delivering a Council opinion on the United Kingdom's 2014 convergence
programme

so recommendation for recommendation. That's it, it's good as a law.

Skipping to the end;

and quoting the full paragraph (and others)

EU said:

HEREBY RECOMMENDS that the United Kingdom take action within the period 2014-2015
to:
1. Reinforce the budgetary strategy, endeavouring to correct the excessive deficit in a
sustainable manner in line with the Council recommendation under the Excessive
Deficit Procedure. Pursue a differentiated, growth-friendly approach to fiscal
tightening by prioritising capital expenditure. To assist with fiscal consolidation,
consideration should be given to raising revenues through broadening the tax base.
Address structural bottlenecks related to infrastructure, skills mismatches and access
to finance for SMEs to boost growth in the export of both goods and services.

The nerve, recommending addressing skills mismatch and access to finance to SME.

EU said:

2. Increase the transparency of the use and impact of macro-prudential regulation in
respect of the housing sector by the Bank of England's Financial Policy Committee.
Deploy appropriate measures to respond to the rapid increases in property prices in
areas that account for a substantial share of economic growth in the United Kingdom,
particularly London, for example by adjusting the Help to Buy 2 scheme and
mitigate risks related to high mortgage indebtedness. Remove distortions in property
taxation by regularly updating the valuation of property and reduce the regressivity
of the band and rates within the council tax system. Continue efforts to increase the
supply of housing.

They should keep their opinions to themselves. £950.000 house in Wandsworth should have lower council tax than £240.000 in N'hampton.

EU said:

3. Maintain commitment to the Youth Contract, especially by improving skills that
meet employer needs. Ensure employer engagement by placing emphasis on
addressing skills mismatches through more advanced and higher level skills
provision and furthering apprenticeship offers. Reduce the number of young people
with low basic skills.

Bah, recommending to reduce number of young people with low basic skills? Totally crazy.

EU said:

4. Continue efforts to reduce child poverty in low-income households, by ensuring that
the Universal Credit and other welfare reforms deliver adequate benefits with clear
work incentives and support services. Improve the availability of affordable quality
childcare.

Pfft childcare. Work incentives? Who needs that. Certainly not young people with low basic skills.

EU said:

5. Continue efforts to improve the availability of bank and non-bank financing to
SMEs. Ensure the effective functioning of the Business Bank and support an
increased presence of challenger banks.

More twaddle.

EU said:

6. Follow up on the National Infrastructure Plan by increasing the predictability of the
planning processes as well as providing clarity on funding commitments. Ensure
transparency and accountability by providing consistent and timely information on
the implementation of the Plan.

Totally unreasonable.

[grantone]

Bluebarge said:

That is not what will happen.

There may be closer integration but it will only be in the Eurozone and it is frankly necessary to make the Euro work properly. However, this is subject to the various European electorates agreeing to go along with this and recent election results in France, Greece etc suggest that this is certainly not a foregone conclusion.

What Juncker's appointment means is a likely acceleration to a 2-speed Europe.

Dave is not serious about an EU exit - he is posturing to keep the Ukippers and Europhobes in his own party happy - if he were to threaten exit he would lose the business vote overnight, along with much of the sensible end of his own party.

My views are close to this. The Euro really needs political union and the EU is the only union available, so will strengthen. What that means for non Eurozone countries is the quandary, there must end up being some kind of two tier system, but who knows what format it will take?

It leaves me with two questions that I don't have answers to.

- Do I think the UK would benefit from continued common policy with other EU countries?
- If so, do I think that continued membership and associated costs of whatever this two tier EU will be is a better way to achieve that goal than leaving and negotiating from scratch?

[Bluebarge]

grantone said:

Bluebarge said:

That is not what will happen.

There may be closer integration but it will only be in the Eurozone and it is frankly necessary to make the Euro work properly. However, this is subject to the various European electorates agreeing to go along with this and recent election results in France, Greece etc suggest that this is certainly not a foregone conclusion.

What Juncker's appointment means is a likely acceleration to a 2-speed Europe.

Dave is not serious about an EU exit - he is posturing to keep the Ukippers and Europhobes in his own party happy - if he were to threaten exit he would lose the business vote overnight, along with much of the sensible end of his own party.

My views are close to this. The Euro really needs political union and the EU is the only union available, so will strengthen. What that means for non Eurozone countries is the quandary, there must end up being some kind of two tier system, but who knows what format it will take?

It leaves me with two questions that I don't have answers to.

- Do I think the UK would benefit from continued common policy with other EU countries?
- If so, do I think that continued membership and associated costs of whatever this two tier EU will be is a better way to achieve that goal than leaving and negotiating from scratch?

You do realise you've just derailed an absolutely fascinating thread on VAT don't you?

[TuscanOwner]

Andy Zarse said:

TuscanOwner said:

Andy Zarse, you might have missed this because it is now a few pages ago, but I would appreciate an answer. I am intrigued as to what/why the EU is causing an issue in this way

TuscanOwner said:

Andy Zarse said:

Not only is absolutely nothing extra needed in our case, in fact nothing at all is required. That's because the EU specifically bans our business from providing our services to residents of other member states. We can have clients almost anywhere, but if they live have the nerve to move from Dover to Calais that's the end of our relationship with them.

It's fine though if they move to Geneva, or even Bangkok.

Yet another one of the huge advantages to UK exporters from our expensive EU membership.

I'm intrigued, what business services are those?

Sorry, yes I meant to draw your attention to my reply to League

Just google MiFID... it affects financial intermediation.

OK, so I did. And it clearly states that it allows people in one EU state to acquire a passport to allow them to act in any EU state without re-certifying for that countries systems.

So it doesn't seem to ban you from working in other EU countries at all. Unless you fail the test I guess

[XJ Flyer]

steveT350C said:

Guam said:

steveT350C said:

Hannan in the Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2673698/...

Good piece from Hanan as usual, how long before gets the whip withdrawn though?

He is certainly not holding back with his views. As I mentioned on UKIP thread, anti-EU articles and statements are becoming ever more common in MSM

That seems to prove at least one UKIP ally in the Cons ranks.

Which suggests that Farage is on course to split the Cons between federalists and anti federalists before the general election just as he says.Which is how the matter will be settled.The issue being that the EU is already a federation and has been since we joined it.

[XJ Flyer]

grantone said:

My views are close to this. The Euro really needs political union and the EU is the only union available, so will strengthen. What that means for non Eurozone countries is the quandary, there must end up being some kind of two tier system, but who knows what format it will take?

It leaves me with two questions that I don't have answers to.

- Do I think the UK would benefit from continued common policy with other EU countries?
- If so, do I think that continued membership and associated costs of whatever this two tier EU will be is a better way to achieve that goal than leaving and negotiating from scratch?

I'd suggest that with us being in a position of net trade deficit with it the EU is in no place to dictate terms to us whatsoever after we withdraw from it.As opposed to vice versa.

[Walford]

XJ Flyer said:

I'd suggest that with us being in a position of net trade deficit with it the EU is in no place to dictate terms to us whatsoever after we withdraw from it.As opposed to vice versa.

its not about trade, its about building a supper state run by and for a political elite

[greygoose]

Walford said:

XJ Flyer said:

I'd suggest that with us being in a position of net trade deficit with it the EU is in no place to dictate terms to us whatsoever after we withdraw from it.As opposed to vice versa.

its not about trade, its about building a supper state run by and for a political elite

Will there be a Minister for Cheese on Toast?