Jihadists and Women
Discussion
Rayy said:
Rabbis can marry. And only the tiny percentage of the most extremely 'orthodox' expect of their wives what is described earlier.
I have a good friend who is a Rabbi - none of the above applies. His wife wears her own hair and runs her own business, to boot.
Good for the Rabbi. I doubt he'll be donning a suicide vest anytime soon!I have a good friend who is a Rabbi - none of the above applies. His wife wears her own hair and runs her own business, to boot.
Am I missing something here about hair?
fesuvious said:
A group of people who hold high the values of a man who married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine.
Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Just remind us how old Henry VII's mum was when she got pregnant with him. Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
standards said:
fesuvious said:
A group of people who hold high the values of a man who married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine.
Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Just remind us how old Henry VII's mum was when she got pregnant with him. Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
fesuvious said:
heppers75 said:
standards said:
fesuvious said:
A group of people who hold high the values of a man who married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine.
Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Just remind us how old Henry VII's mum was when she got pregnant with him. Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Muslims venerate a man who called for jihadis to 'smite the necks of unbelievers' and who considers marriage and sex with a child a-ok.
Dear Henry's followers must number in the what , 1, maybe 2? Oh, and at least his mum was of a child bearing age !
And to be fair to Muslims they follow his "message fron G/god" not every aspect of his lifestyle.
I'm a Darwinist but not in respect of this quote from his journal "shall i get married or get a dog? I suppose a wife would be more agreeable"
Edited by standards on Sunday 7th December 18:36
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
Attempting to divert what is quite a valid point that there is a disturbing lack of modern thinking and attitudes towards the fairer sex by a given culture supported mostly by the beliefs of a single religion by saying.. ooo look over there 120 years ago it was awful too; is not just pathetic it is self defeating!
standards said:
I think the holy people of Islam are very clear that the Prophet is not God/god.
The cult of Tudor could be an idea. Maybe a conspiracy theory for David Icke or someone.
Yet his word does seem to be somewhat sacrosanct no? The cult of Tudor could be an idea. Maybe a conspiracy theory for David Icke or someone.
That cult though, that has to be amusing - the outfits alone would be just awesome! Icke... Nah - space reptiles dressed as Shakespeare operated by Freemasons... That would be more his style surely!
heppers75 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
Attempting to divert what is quite a valid point that there is a disturbing lack of modern thinking and attitudes towards the fairer sex by a given culture supported mostly by the beliefs of a single religion by saying.. ooo look over there 120 years ago it was awful too; is not just pathetic it is self defeating!
If you read thru my posts, just on this thread, you'll see I'm the last one to defend any organised religion, as I despise them with a passion.
The point being made, and rightly too, is that you cannot fairly label someone a pedophile when it was neither illegal nor unusual in their era.
In 100 years, the age of consent my well be 30 for all I know. But it would be wrong for people in 100 years to judge us as perverts for having sex with women in their 20s.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
heppers75 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
Attempting to divert what is quite a valid point that there is a disturbing lack of modern thinking and attitudes towards the fairer sex by a given culture supported mostly by the beliefs of a single religion by saying.. ooo look over there 120 years ago it was awful too; is not just pathetic it is self defeating!
If you read thru my posts, just on this thread, you'll see I'm the last one to defend any organised religion, as I despise them with a passion.
The point being made, and rightly too, is that you cannot fairly label someone a pedophile when it was neither illegal nor unusual in their era.
In 100 years, the age of consent my well be 30 for all I know. But it would be wrong for people in 100 years to judge us as perverts for having sex with women in their 20s.
By the same token you cannot seriously and with a straight face reasonably argue that the decidedly misogynistic, backward and moronic attitude essentially enshrined in a given religion is not in any way shape or form responsible for the many thousands of heinous acts perpetrated upon the fairer sex by the followers of it - irrespective of how many moderates of the same said religion want to wave a flag and point somewhere else to say " it is not us we are fine, look see they are just as bad".
Everytime I hear it, which happens a lot on threads here - I just think of the Picard Falm Palm meme picture.
I am a catholic, I am a really st catholic but I am one... It would be like me denying there are an overwhelming number of priests who interfered with kids - its just nonsensical.
I don't know if it's relevant, but I've just been invited to participate in a mentoring program at work and pretty much all the proposed activities fall under one of the following activites
-cooking
-cleaning
-looking after children
-looking after old people
This is a "women's network" in a major multinational.
You don't have to be a jihadist to be a sexist ahole. Which of these activities would have been suggested if the audience was mostly male?
-cooking
-cleaning
-looking after children
-looking after old people
This is a "women's network" in a major multinational.
You don't have to be a jihadist to be a sexist ahole. Which of these activities would have been suggested if the audience was mostly male?
I mean even the charitable and moderate followers don't have misogynistic attitudes...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lord-Mayor-Counc...
If the followers that are doing laudable works and being massively charitable can be this backward... well what can you say!
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lord-Mayor-Counc...
If the followers that are doing laudable works and being massively charitable can be this backward... well what can you say!
heppers75 said:
I mean even the charitable and moderate followers don't have misogynistic attitudes...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lord-Mayor-Counc...
If the followers that are doing laudable works and being massively charitable can be this backward... well what can you say!
There is no place for their belief system in a modern Western societyhttp://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lord-Mayor-Counc...
If the followers that are doing laudable works and being massively charitable can be this backward... well what can you say!
A French guy who has made a few films about suicide bombers came to a similar conclusion:
http://www.islamdaily.org/en/islam/3940.the-psycho...
"Young Muslim men live in sheer frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness; where separation of the sexes is absolute. So is contempt of women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. Suicide killers are mostly young men dominated by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and themselves to reach this redemption in heaven becomes their only solution."
edit: The rest of the interview is maybe a little extreme...
http://www.islamdaily.org/en/islam/3940.the-psycho...
"Young Muslim men live in sheer frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness; where separation of the sexes is absolute. So is contempt of women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. Suicide killers are mostly young men dominated by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and themselves to reach this redemption in heaven becomes their only solution."
edit: The rest of the interview is maybe a little extreme...
Edited by maxxy5 on Monday 8th December 11:43
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