EU President & Germany both call for creation of an EU army
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CrutyRammers said:
Esseesse said:
This has been an obvious eventuality to many on here for many years.
Indeed, they've not been hiding the intention.This is one of those "useful crises" which allow for that all important, ever-closer union.
Mrr T said:
Since UKIP have no idea how to leave the EU....
Could you expand on this?Is it not a case that if they gained office they would simply sign us out of the 'deal'?
If there is no such process then simply ignoring the EU's demands for compliance, replacing the EU laws with British ones and defending our territory (ie. fishing waters etc.) would be the same thing?
Even if the Conservative's won there won't be a referendum.Mark my words Cameron would use any excuse or water down the way people would be able to vote.
The Irish found out that the politicians took no notice of their vote so did the Dutch.We still have the pound that is our only saviour.
The Irish found out that the politicians took no notice of their vote so did the Dutch.We still have the pound that is our only saviour.
fblm said:
Mrr T said:
Vote Tory and you might, just might, avoid it.
Would this be the same Tory party that tried to force you into the Euro and failed? Astonishingly Gordon Brown has far better credentials than any senior Tories on keeping you out of a Federal Europe.AA999 said:
Could you expand on this?
Is it not a case that if they gained office they would simply sign us out of the 'deal'?
If there is no such process then simply ignoring the EU's demands for compliance, replacing the EU laws with British ones and defending our territory (ie. fishing waters etc.) would be the same thing?
Ironically the UKIP plan was just to renounce the treaties.Is it not a case that if they gained office they would simply sign us out of the 'deal'?
If there is no such process then simply ignoring the EU's demands for compliance, replacing the EU laws with British ones and defending our territory (ie. fishing waters etc.) would be the same thing?
The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
2. Who clears the fishing grounds.
3. How do UK financial institutions continue to operate in the EU with out a EU passport.
4. How do we export to the EU.
5. What do we do about checking EU imports.
It was all madness.
The new plan UKIP is to give notice under the Lisbon Treaty we wish to leave the EU. we then have 2 years to negotiate the exit terms with the EU. They then suggest we negotiate a free trade treaty with the EU. Firstly for technical reasons we need a free trade area agreement not a trade treaty. Also there are other things to negotiate such as aircraft routing, representation at numerous trade bodies, the replacement of VAT, new tax treaties, etc etc.
They also fail to comprehend that the idea we will be able to negotiate a free trade area with an EU of 26 members covering not just trade but financial services in 2 years. Is frankly pie in the sky. Negotiations like this will take at least 5 years and maybe longer.
Since the 2 year can be extended you can see the EU negotiating very slowly expecting after an election a new government to stop the process.
Mrr T said:
Ironically the UKIP plan was just to renounce the treaties.
The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
read for yourself, it's been covered.The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
Mrr T said:
2. Who clears the fishing grounds.
read for yourself, it's been covered.Mrr T said:
3. How do UK financial institutions continue to operate in the EU with out a EU passport.
read for yourself, it's been covered.Mrr T said:
4. How do we export to the EU.
the same way we do to any country.Mrr T said:
5. What do we do about checking EU imports.
Same as the way we do with any other country.Asterix said:
Police State said:
Jean-Claude Juncker said:
or a neighbour of the EU
Weasel words of a dangerous man.Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
Ironically the UKIP plan was just to renounce the treaties.
The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
read for yourself, it's been covered.The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
Mrr T said:
2. Who clears the fishing grounds.
read for yourself, it's been covered.Mrr T said:
3. How do UK financial institutions continue to operate in the EU with out a EU passport.
read for yourself, it's been covered.Mrr T said:
4. How do we export to the EU.
the same way we do to any country.Mrr T said:
5. What do we do about checking EU imports.
Same as the way we do with any other country.= we have no idea how to deal with this but if we pretend we do someone might believe us.
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
Ironically the UKIP plan was just to renounce the treaties.
The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
read for yourself, it's been covered.The problem with that plan is:
1. What happens the CAP payments?
Mrr T said:
2. Who clears the fishing grounds.
read for yourself, it's been covered.Mrr T said:
3. How do UK financial institutions continue to operate in the EU with out a EU passport.
read for yourself, it's been covered.Mrr T said:
4. How do we export to the EU.
the same way we do to any country.Mrr T said:
5. What do we do about checking EU imports.
Same as the way we do with any other country.= we have no idea how to deal with this but if we pretend we do someone might believe us.
Try doing some reading. All this has been set out in full. Google for it.
Typical anti UKIP bluster
Soov535 said:
Hilarious.
Try doing some reading. All this has been set out in full. Google for it.
Typical anti UKIP bluster
exactly.Try doing some reading. All this has been set out in full. Google for it.
Typical anti UKIP bluster
takes less than 5 seconds to Google it:
UKIP Site said:
Agriculture and Fishing
– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter
then another 5 seconds to find it on youtube.– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHbmMo8wINk
Scuffers said:
Typical Mrr T comment,
if you really are too lazy to look s
t up for yourself, who do you think comes across as the blinkered muppet?
You mean look up a reply which exists only in UKIP land. if you really are too lazy to look s
t up for yourself, who do you think comes across as the blinkered muppet?So as an example please show me where you deal with how UK financial services companies continue to operate within the EU without a passport. Since only the EEA and Switzerland have a trade area with the EU covering financial services and UKIP will join neither.Or are we back to that mythical treaty.
Mrr T said:
You mean look up a reply which exists only in UKIP land.
So as an example please show me where you deal with how UK financial services companies continue to operate within the EU without a passport. Since only the EEA and Switzerland have a trade area with the EU covering financial services and UKIP will join neither.Or are we back to that mythical treaty.
you really are laughable!So as an example please show me where you deal with how UK financial services companies continue to operate within the EU without a passport. Since only the EEA and Switzerland have a trade area with the EU covering financial services and UKIP will join neither.Or are we back to that mythical treaty.
remind us again which are the largest financial centres on the planet, in order?
how come none of them are in the Euro Zone?
if we leave the EU, who do you think is going to have the bigger issue should the EU start to try and play tariff games?
the city and business are way bigger than governments, you only have to look just how scared the euro zone is every time the markets squeak at them.
so Germany want to fook Europe again for the third time ? Are people in Europe really so blind,
Stinks of history repeating itself to me but with a economic twist rather than a blitzkrieg or will that happen a bit further down the line in the name of economics and towing the line !
I for one won't be changing my vote from purple I've even got a purple jumper on today
Stinks of history repeating itself to me but with a economic twist rather than a blitzkrieg or will that happen a bit further down the line in the name of economics and towing the line !
I for one won't be changing my vote from purple I've even got a purple jumper on today
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