Another Labour minister caught fiddling house expenses
Discussion
k is this standards person: Robert Mugabe?elster said:
I don't see what the problem is.
He didn't break any rules, if you were offered the same you would take it.
The people who make the rules are to blame.
MPs make their own rules. Cozy huh?He didn't break any rules, if you were offered the same you would take it.
The people who make the rules are to blame.
Even when they have to obey the same rules as the unwashed voters and taxpayers they are applied far more leniently. No wonder MPs don't want to rock their boat too much.
Dogwatch said:
elster said:
I don't see what the problem is.
He didn't break any rules, if you were offered the same you would take it.
The people who make the rules are to blame.
MPs make their own rules. Cozy huh?He didn't break any rules, if you were offered the same you would take it.
The people who make the rules are to blame.
I guess it is no surprise that politicians are a bunch of self-serving scumbags, whatever flavour, and yes when they've been in office too long, they've all got their noses in the trough. Same thing happened to the last bunch of course.
Good point well made odyssey2200 said:
If I were caught fiddling my company expenses what would happen to me?
The P45 would be in the post!
Why are MPs any different?
what has he actually fiddled though?The P45 would be in the post!
Why are MPs any different?
as has been said on this thread several times -- what he did was within the rules, however unpalatable that is to us
Funk Odyssey said:
odyssey2200 said:
If I were caught fiddling my company expenses what would happen to me?
The P45 would be in the post!
Why are MPs any different?
what has he actually fiddled though?The P45 would be in the post!
Why are MPs any different?
as has been said on this thread several times -- what he did was within the rules, however unpalatable that is to us
I guess the rules need a bit of an overhaul.
elster said:
Jasandjules said:
elster said:
If you were offered the same you would take it.
No, I wouldn't.Would you tell them no, as you don't agree with them.
Isn't this not so much about workplace refreshments, as politicians abusing taxpayer vulnerability via unjust allowances? Private sector can pay employees what they like for what they like as private monies are involved, this is our taxes and they are basically lying to get at tens of thousands of it tax-free too ffs - and if the rules allow it, we must then ask who set the rules (oink).
jeff m said:
This is small time, loose change.
There is a lot worse going on.
My sisters department has a monthly champagne budget, they eat lunch at michelin starred restaurants and she is a low down person.There is a lot worse going on.
Hey but then again she is working in NZ for a year getting paid by the Department of Corrections as well as full pay from Ministry of Justice.
If it is all within the rules, why did he mysteriously stop claiming it in January, shortly before the "scandal" of that other waste of skin Jackie Smith's expenses scandal came to the fore.....?
If it was all above board,surely he would still be claiming it?
Maybe he also claimed 42.9p per mile walking from it to Parliament....!
If it was all above board,surely he would still be claiming it?
Maybe he also claimed 42.9p per mile walking from it to Parliament....!
s3fella said:
If it is all within the rules, why did he mysteriously stop claiming it in January, shortly before the "scandal" of that other waste of skin Jackie Smith's expenses scandal came to the fore.....?
You do realise he isn't the one sat there doing his expenses. Or even the one advising the person filling in the expenses.
elster said:
s3fella said:
If it is all within the rules, why did he mysteriously stop claiming it in January, shortly before the "scandal" of that other waste of skin Jackie Smith's expenses scandal came to the fore.....?
You do realise he isn't the one sat there doing his expenses. Or even the one advising the person filling in the expenses.Adrian W said:
thinfourth2 said:
Adrian W said:
nothing will happen, they can do what they like, they are immune, labour the party to line your pockets with.
Yeah and none of the torys ever do this kind of thingHence the protests from the opposition will deafening in their silence
On the news he has just put out a statement saying he has done nothing wrong and has acted within the rules.
Yet this is the same party that want to relieve Fred Goodwin of his pension, despite it being in the contract they set, because it's 'morally wrong'.
Do as I say, not as I do
Why can't we just pay MPs more and be done with all this crap?
In the words of the inland revenue:
"Expenses which are not treated as pay must not only be actually incurred in the performance of the duties of the employment but must also be wholly, exclusively and necessarily so incurred. Expenses which are incurred by employees in travelling to and from the place of employment are not allowable for tax purposes and any re-imbursement of these expenses must be treated as pay and taxed accordingly."
The same rules should apply to everyone. If MPs need to be paid more then so be it, I want good people in the job.
In the words of the inland revenue:
"Expenses which are not treated as pay must not only be actually incurred in the performance of the duties of the employment but must also be wholly, exclusively and necessarily so incurred. Expenses which are incurred by employees in travelling to and from the place of employment are not allowable for tax purposes and any re-imbursement of these expenses must be treated as pay and taxed accordingly."
The same rules should apply to everyone. If MPs need to be paid more then so be it, I want good people in the job.
Edited by theaxe on Sunday 22 March 17:29
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