Why are the Germans so anti-nuclear?
Discussion
Benni said:
Because we thought that we just could send the waste to Sellafield,
but it was sent back again to bugger us for the next 25.000 years
We tried to be "the perfect ones" in the past and somehow that failed.
Now, it seems, some common sense has broken through.
No technology designed, constructed, operated and maintained by humans can be fail-proof and fool-proof.
Don´t get me wrong, I like technology and admit it has it`s fascination and it`s dangers,
but I dislike the fact that "the minimized nuclear risk" would leave half the country uninhabitable.
Sometimes it´s hard -and expensive- to admit one´s faults but I think Germany is through with nuclear power.
What has been erected will cease to operate in a few years
and then it´s waste that we have yet to find a "final solution" for, maybe we will this time
but as no atomic country in the world has been succesful there I doubt it.
Just bury it and leave it as a legacy to the next 1.000 generations, deal with it, suckers.
Maybe in 20(0) years we will envy your fusion-reactors and your houses with no power meters,
maybe we will be grateful that the channel is between the mainland and "The Zone"
Maybe we put ourself in a dead end, maybe we will -as a country with few natural resources-
go back to the drawing board and develop technologies that are successful and can be exported,
technologies that can save existing energy or create energy from reneweable sources.
Vorsprung durch Technik, you know ?
I don´t, to be honest, but I am willing to take that risk more than I am willing
to take the risks of "safe" and "civilian" nuclear power.
I'd tend to agree with some of that (from a Brit who won't tag you with a pathetic 'hippie' bashing!).but it was sent back again to bugger us for the next 25.000 years
We tried to be "the perfect ones" in the past and somehow that failed.
Now, it seems, some common sense has broken through.
No technology designed, constructed, operated and maintained by humans can be fail-proof and fool-proof.
Don´t get me wrong, I like technology and admit it has it`s fascination and it`s dangers,
but I dislike the fact that "the minimized nuclear risk" would leave half the country uninhabitable.
Sometimes it´s hard -and expensive- to admit one´s faults but I think Germany is through with nuclear power.
What has been erected will cease to operate in a few years
and then it´s waste that we have yet to find a "final solution" for, maybe we will this time
but as no atomic country in the world has been succesful there I doubt it.
Just bury it and leave it as a legacy to the next 1.000 generations, deal with it, suckers.
Maybe in 20(0) years we will envy your fusion-reactors and your houses with no power meters,
maybe we will be grateful that the channel is between the mainland and "The Zone"
Maybe we put ourself in a dead end, maybe we will -as a country with few natural resources-
go back to the drawing board and develop technologies that are successful and can be exported,
technologies that can save existing energy or create energy from reneweable sources.
Vorsprung durch Technik, you know ?
I don´t, to be honest, but I am willing to take that risk more than I am willing
to take the risks of "safe" and "civilian" nuclear power.
The 'greenies' over here probably outnumber yours 10-1!
Everyone knows China is emerging as the world No. 1. Yet, Germany which has really nothing in common could be said to be alongside China. But Germany is a democracy and China is still authoritarian. Yes, but they have something in common, leaving many other world economies struggling; they have 'manufacturing'. This not only meets their own needs - but vitally those of other nations, so they flourish. While others, like us, can only watch with envy as we up-blip one day and down-blip the next.
Mock all you may, WE are the hippies! The 'green' agenda is everywhere here, including at No. 10.
pacman1 said:
eta, sorry, had to try it. It's true, they've censored the word "p i k e y".
My bemusedometer is bouncing off its limiter..
Edited by pacman1 on Tuesday 29th March 00:41
MODS - When did I become a naughty word?
Just some more idiocy from the greenslime in Germany
1) They don't want cars but start bloody and violent protests against new trains and stations (but their politicians don't ride bikes to parliament!)
2) they don't want nuclear, but when the government say they're closing 7 of them, they take the govenment to court for an "unconstitutional" decision
3) they don't want any coal powered (but very clean) power stations
4) they don't want a gravity fed hydro power station although this is 100% eco! (present proposals here in the Black Forest are being blocked)
5) they don't want any packaging, but wnat clean quick easy to buy food
6) they don't want to store their own nuclear waste, but want to tear down old nukes and send the waste somewhere else
7) they want to close all race tracks including the Nürburgring Nordschleife
8) they protest violently against almost everything but have NO answers or solutions themselves
9) they don't want either waste dumps or even efficient and clean waste incineration which also produces power and heating
10) They do want ugly windymills everywhere, although 2 years ago they were protesting against them as they kill bats (according to thier "scientists")
11) however they do want to frighten the population with scare stories daily!!
I have the feeling that they are all just NIMBY dreamers who have no sense of reality whatsoever!!!
1) They don't want cars but start bloody and violent protests against new trains and stations (but their politicians don't ride bikes to parliament!)
2) they don't want nuclear, but when the government say they're closing 7 of them, they take the govenment to court for an "unconstitutional" decision
3) they don't want any coal powered (but very clean) power stations
4) they don't want a gravity fed hydro power station although this is 100% eco! (present proposals here in the Black Forest are being blocked)
5) they don't want any packaging, but wnat clean quick easy to buy food
6) they don't want to store their own nuclear waste, but want to tear down old nukes and send the waste somewhere else
7) they want to close all race tracks including the Nürburgring Nordschleife
8) they protest violently against almost everything but have NO answers or solutions themselves
9) they don't want either waste dumps or even efficient and clean waste incineration which also produces power and heating
10) They do want ugly windymills everywhere, although 2 years ago they were protesting against them as they kill bats (according to thier "scientists")
11) however they do want to frighten the population with scare stories daily!!
I have the feeling that they are all just NIMBY dreamers who have no sense of reality whatsoever!!!
It's not as bad as all that.
Especially now the no.1 option making magazine in the country published this article recently:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-77435179.htm...
It's titled "The ECO-Trap" for those of you who don't speak German. There are reactions to the eco-nonsense and let's be honest, the vast majority of Germans still LOVES their car.
Especially now the no.1 option making magazine in the country published this article recently:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-77435179.htm...
It's titled "The ECO-Trap" for those of you who don't speak German. There are reactions to the eco-nonsense and let's be honest, the vast majority of Germans still LOVES their car.
JMGS4 said:
Nas, it's an excellent article but there are actually very few Spiegel readers; until teh TV, Bild and other gutter press publish such things it'll pass most germans by!!!
There's was big backlash in the bild (take-out restaurant waiting room, honest 
) on E10 fuel some days ago. And the German reluctance to purchase it (and the now exisiting storage problems) shows -to some extend- they care less about being eco-friendly than nice to their cars. Why they dislike nuclear power so much I don't know yet. It's not a good long-term plan I think they feel. The waste issue makes the nuclear solution imperfect. This is what I *think* they don't like.
NAS said:
There's was big backlash in the bild (take-out restaurant waiting room, honest ) on E10 fuel some days ago. And the German reluctance to purchase it
What hasn't been mentioned is that the normal super 95 octane was artificially raised in cost by at least 5cts/l and the E10 then sold at the old super price, effectivey blackmailing the public to buy E10. ) on E10 fuel some days ago. And the German reluctance to purchase it That and the uncertainty about its compatability (for 30% of cars here its a nono) led to the germans declining the E10.
Apart from that E5 or E10 is actually more harmful to the biosphere due to all the agricultural areas sacrificed to grow bio-fuel, and mostly in endangered areas like the Amazon and Borneo (60% of indonesian Borneos jungle has been taken over for oilpalm!).
MadMullah said:
But why are they so anti-nuclear? or are they just a bunch of hippies?
History.The Green Party has probably been more successful in Germany than any other country.
Germany has a long history of "anti-establishment" political movements. Many of these grew out of the chaos following the end of WW1. Even the Nazi Party fell into this category as they were so againtt what had been a fairly conservative political tradition.
For the post war WW2 generation, anti-establishment sentiments gravitated towards, anarachist groups ( Bader- Meinhoff), Communism or Environmentalism (The Greens). Petra Kelly, the leader of the German Green Party, was for many years the poster girl of the green movement throughout Europe.
Strangely, German radicals have a habit of bumping themselves off when they get disillousioned that their revolutions aren't happening the way they want.
One lives in hope.
Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 29th March 14:46
NAS said:
The waste issue makes the nuclear solution imperfect. This is what I *think* they don't like.
"Imperfect" must be the understatement of the century in that context.An industry that builds plants with a lifespan of 20-50 years which leave waste behind
that has to be controlled for at least 20.000-50.000 years really seems a tad imperfect to me.
I realize that in our post-WW2 Wirtschaftswunderland the vision of "clean, cheap and never-ending" power
was very tempting, and the majority of the people believed that the government would never allow something
to be erected which could cause harm to all should a mishap occur.
Atomic energy in powerplants, ships, subs, airplanes and cars seemed to be just around the corner of the next decades,
and strengthended the belief that mankind could tame the sheer nuclear powers that showed their nasty
side once, or twice, in Japan 1945.
But where are the dreams of these decades now, the flying cars, houses on mars, submarine cities ?
Let´s face it, the science-fiction dreams turned out to be just fiction, and nuclear power was one of them.
There are other aspects of this theme complex that I find quite annoying,
like the fact that our various governments gave 200 billion Deutschmarks to that industry in 1950-2010.
Well, at least the power from these plants is for free now.....oh, wait...
Most of these plants aren´t even taxed anymore because they are written off,
and produce not only power but also 4 million € of profit per day for the "Big 4" power companies that rule the market.
Now this industry bails out of their responsibility with a sum that don´t even make up a 1/000 of the billions
it will cost the taxpayer to dismantle, store and guard the nuclear waste.
That surely is an interesting concept : rake the profits, share the losses.
The fact that nuclear powerplants and their potential accidents are not even insurable and liable
is another fact that contributes to the doubts -and votes- of many german citizens.
Are your british houses insurable against a nuclear accident or incident ? I doubt that.
The green voters have been described as "short-sighted" by some in this thread.
I wish that the men in charge of nuclear programs in Germany would have been not as short-sighted as they have been.
As for the question "where will our future energy come from?"
We will see, there are alternatives, and they would have been better developed with all that money
that was invested in the nuclear dead-end technology.
We could start a scrappage scheme again, this time for investments in electrical devices that consume less power
whilst being as effective as the ones we have now.
One whole power station is used only to produce stand-by power, there should be an "Off" switch again.
Germany is already quite good in developing effective renewable energy,
and with a growing market world-wide for that I expect this to be a major part of future industries.
Wind power, water power, geothermal power, there is something if you look for it,
and use it even if some people will complain about power lines or landscape modification.
Ask them if they want a nuclear waste depot instead and they become quiet really quickly.
Hey, I would even say YES to some new coal- or gas-burning power stations with modern filter equipment,
anything better than leave our kids some more radioactive heritage.
Well, other people´s kids, I don´t have any.
When you look at my profile you will find that I have a non-green hobby,
didn´t vote them in the last years.
In the last decades most of Germany´s younger generations faced their biggest problems
when deciding which brand to wear or which "Pop Star" to worship or which job to pick for making fast bucks.
Politics was sooo 70s and could turn out complicated and frustrating work if taken seriously.
But maybe they -and their parents- realized that there was something going wrong and should be changed.
I am 50 now and already quite cynical, maybe that´s why i like PH so much despite driving a shoddy Mk3 Golf estate.
On the other hand, it amuses me how you can´t understand ze geeermans now,
maybe you liked the times better when we were the monster hunsters and not the eco-trippy hipsters ?
Aren´t you glad we never got our hands on the bomb even though we had -and sadly have- enough material to do so ?
We still might send it to Windscale, in a V3.1, if it would make you feel better
€dit for late night spelling
Edited by Benni on Wednesday 30th March 00:31
Benni said:
"Imperfect" must be the understatement of the century in that context.
An industry that builds plants with a lifespan of 20-50 years which leave waste behind
that has to be controlled for at least 20.000-50.000 years really seems a tad imperfect to me.
I realize that in our post-WW2 Wirtschaftswunderland the vision of "clean, cheap and never-ending" power
was very tempting, and the majority of the people believed that the government would never allow something
to be erected which could cause harm to all should a mishap occur.
Atomic energy in powerplants, ships, subs, airplanes and cars seemed to be just around the corner of the next decades,
and strengthended the belief that mankind could tame the sheer nuclear powers that showed their nasty
side once, or twice, in Japan 1945.
But where are the dreams of these decades now, the flying cars, houses on mars, submarine cities ?
Let´s face it, the science-fiction dreams turned out to be just fiction, and nuclear power was one of them.
There are other aspects of this theme complex that I find quite annoying,
like the fact that our various governments gave 200 billion Deutschmarks to that industry in 1950-2010.
Well, at least the power from these plants is for free now.....oh, wait...
Most of these plants aren´t even taxed anymore because they are written off,
and produce not only power but also 4 million € of profit per day for the "Big 4" power companies that rule the market.
Now this industry bails out of their responsibility with a sum that don´t even make up a 1/000 of the billions
it will cost the taxpayer to dismantle, store and guard the nuclear waste.
That surely is an interesting concept : rake the profits, share the losses.
The fact that nuclear powerplants and their potential accidents are not even insurable and liable
is another fact that contributes to the doubts -and votes- of many german citizens.
Are your british houses insurable against a nuclear accident or incident ? I doubt that.
The green voters have been described as "short-sighted" by some in this thread.
I wish that the men in charge of nuclear programs in Germany would have been not as short-sighted as they have been.
As for the question "where will our future energy come from?"
We will see, there are alternatives, and they would have been better developed with all that money
that was invested in the nuclear dead-end technology.
We could start a scrappage scheme again, this time for investments in electrical devices that consume less power
whilst being as effective as the ones we have now.
One whole power station is used only to produce stand-by power, there should be an "Off" switch again.
Germany is already quite good in developing effective renewable energy,
and with a growing market world-wide for that I expect this to be a major part of future industries.
Wind power, water power, geothermal power, there is something if you look for it,
and use it even if some people will complain about power lines or landscape modification.
Ask them if they want a nuclear waste depot instead and they become quiet really quickly.
Hey, I would even say YES to some new coal- or gas-burning power stations with modern filter equipment,
anything better than leave our kids some more radioactive heritage.
Well, other people´s kids, I don´t have any.
When you look at my profile you will find that I have a non-green hobby,
didn´t vote them in the last years.
In the last decades most of Germany´s younger generations faced their biggest problems
when deciding which brand to wear or which "Pop Star" to worship or which job to pick for making fast bucks.
Politics was sooo 70s and could turn out complicated and frustrating work if taken seriously.
But maybe they -and their parents- realized that there was something going wrong and should be changed.
I am 50 now and already quite cynical, maybe that´s why i like PH so much despite driving a shoddy Mk3 Golf estate.
On the other hand, it amuses me how you can´t understand ze geeermans now,
maybe you liked the times better when we were the monster hunsters and not the eco-trippy hipsters ?
Aren´t you glad we never got our hands on the bomb even though we had -and sadly have- enough material to do so ?
We still might send it to Windscale, in a V3.1, if it would make you feel better
€dit for late night spelling
Good post!An industry that builds plants with a lifespan of 20-50 years which leave waste behind
that has to be controlled for at least 20.000-50.000 years really seems a tad imperfect to me.
I realize that in our post-WW2 Wirtschaftswunderland the vision of "clean, cheap and never-ending" power
was very tempting, and the majority of the people believed that the government would never allow something
to be erected which could cause harm to all should a mishap occur.
Atomic energy in powerplants, ships, subs, airplanes and cars seemed to be just around the corner of the next decades,
and strengthended the belief that mankind could tame the sheer nuclear powers that showed their nasty
side once, or twice, in Japan 1945.
But where are the dreams of these decades now, the flying cars, houses on mars, submarine cities ?
Let´s face it, the science-fiction dreams turned out to be just fiction, and nuclear power was one of them.
There are other aspects of this theme complex that I find quite annoying,
like the fact that our various governments gave 200 billion Deutschmarks to that industry in 1950-2010.
Well, at least the power from these plants is for free now.....oh, wait...
Most of these plants aren´t even taxed anymore because they are written off,
and produce not only power but also 4 million € of profit per day for the "Big 4" power companies that rule the market.
Now this industry bails out of their responsibility with a sum that don´t even make up a 1/000 of the billions
it will cost the taxpayer to dismantle, store and guard the nuclear waste.
That surely is an interesting concept : rake the profits, share the losses.
The fact that nuclear powerplants and their potential accidents are not even insurable and liable
is another fact that contributes to the doubts -and votes- of many german citizens.
Are your british houses insurable against a nuclear accident or incident ? I doubt that.
The green voters have been described as "short-sighted" by some in this thread.
I wish that the men in charge of nuclear programs in Germany would have been not as short-sighted as they have been.
As for the question "where will our future energy come from?"
We will see, there are alternatives, and they would have been better developed with all that money
that was invested in the nuclear dead-end technology.
We could start a scrappage scheme again, this time for investments in electrical devices that consume less power
whilst being as effective as the ones we have now.
One whole power station is used only to produce stand-by power, there should be an "Off" switch again.
Germany is already quite good in developing effective renewable energy,
and with a growing market world-wide for that I expect this to be a major part of future industries.
Wind power, water power, geothermal power, there is something if you look for it,
and use it even if some people will complain about power lines or landscape modification.
Ask them if they want a nuclear waste depot instead and they become quiet really quickly.
Hey, I would even say YES to some new coal- or gas-burning power stations with modern filter equipment,
anything better than leave our kids some more radioactive heritage.
Well, other people´s kids, I don´t have any.
When you look at my profile you will find that I have a non-green hobby,
didn´t vote them in the last years.
In the last decades most of Germany´s younger generations faced their biggest problems
when deciding which brand to wear or which "Pop Star" to worship or which job to pick for making fast bucks.
Politics was sooo 70s and could turn out complicated and frustrating work if taken seriously.
But maybe they -and their parents- realized that there was something going wrong and should be changed.
I am 50 now and already quite cynical, maybe that´s why i like PH so much despite driving a shoddy Mk3 Golf estate.
On the other hand, it amuses me how you can´t understand ze geeermans now,
maybe you liked the times better when we were the monster hunsters and not the eco-trippy hipsters ?
Aren´t you glad we never got our hands on the bomb even though we had -and sadly have- enough material to do so ?
We still might send it to Windscale, in a V3.1, if it would make you feel better
€dit for late night spelling
JMGS4 said:
Benni said:
"Imperfect" must be the understatement of the century in that context.
An industry that builds plants with a lifespan of 20-50 years which leave waste behind
that has to be controlled for at least 20.000-50.000 years really seems a tad imperfect to me.
I realize that in our post-WW2 Wirtschaftswunderland the vision of "clean, cheap and never-ending" power
was very tempting, and the majority of the people believed that the government would never allow something
to be erected which could cause harm to all should a mishap occur.
Atomic energy in powerplants, ships, subs, airplanes and cars seemed to be just around the corner of the next decades,
and strengthended the belief that mankind could tame the sheer nuclear powers that showed their nasty
side once, or twice, in Japan 1945.
But where are the dreams of these decades now, the flying cars, houses on mars, submarine cities ?
Let´s face it, the science-fiction dreams turned out to be just fiction, and nuclear power was one of them.
There are other aspects of this theme complex that I find quite annoying,
like the fact that our various governments gave 200 billion Deutschmarks to that industry in 1950-2010.
Well, at least the power from these plants is for free now.....oh, wait...
Most of these plants aren´t even taxed anymore because they are written off,
and produce not only power but also 4 million € of profit per day for the "Big 4" power companies that rule the market.
Now this industry bails out of their responsibility with a sum that don´t even make up a 1/000 of the billions
it will cost the taxpayer to dismantle, store and guard the nuclear waste.
That surely is an interesting concept : rake the profits, share the losses.
The fact that nuclear powerplants and their potential accidents are not even insurable and liable
is another fact that contributes to the doubts -and votes- of many german citizens.
Are your british houses insurable against a nuclear accident or incident ? I doubt that.
The green voters have been described as "short-sighted" by some in this thread.
I wish that the men in charge of nuclear programs in Germany would have been not as short-sighted as they have been.
As for the question "where will our future energy come from?"
We will see, there are alternatives, and they would have been better developed with all that money
that was invested in the nuclear dead-end technology.
We could start a scrappage scheme again, this time for investments in electrical devices that consume less power
whilst being as effective as the ones we have now.
One whole power station is used only to produce stand-by power, there should be an "Off" switch again.
Germany is already quite good in developing effective renewable energy,
and with a growing market world-wide for that I expect this to be a major part of future industries.
Wind power, water power, geothermal power, there is something if you look for it,
and use it even if some people will complain about power lines or landscape modification.
Ask them if they want a nuclear waste depot instead and they become quiet really quickly.
Hey, I would even say YES to some new coal- or gas-burning power stations with modern filter equipment,
anything better than leave our kids some more radioactive heritage.
Well, other people´s kids, I don´t have any.
When you look at my profile you will find that I have a non-green hobby,
didn´t vote them in the last years.
In the last decades most of Germany´s younger generations faced their biggest problems
when deciding which brand to wear or which "Pop Star" to worship or which job to pick for making fast bucks.
Politics was sooo 70s and could turn out complicated and frustrating work if taken seriously.
But maybe they -and their parents- realized that there was something going wrong and should be changed.
I am 50 now and already quite cynical, maybe that´s why i like PH so much despite driving a shoddy Mk3 Golf estate.
On the other hand, it amuses me how you can´t understand ze geeermans now,
maybe you liked the times better when we were the monster hunsters and not the eco-trippy hipsters ?
Aren´t you glad we never got our hands on the bomb even though we had -and sadly have- enough material to do so ?
We still might send it to Windscale, in a V3.1, if it would make you feel better
€dit for late night spelling
Good post!An industry that builds plants with a lifespan of 20-50 years which leave waste behind
that has to be controlled for at least 20.000-50.000 years really seems a tad imperfect to me.
I realize that in our post-WW2 Wirtschaftswunderland the vision of "clean, cheap and never-ending" power
was very tempting, and the majority of the people believed that the government would never allow something
to be erected which could cause harm to all should a mishap occur.
Atomic energy in powerplants, ships, subs, airplanes and cars seemed to be just around the corner of the next decades,
and strengthended the belief that mankind could tame the sheer nuclear powers that showed their nasty
side once, or twice, in Japan 1945.
But where are the dreams of these decades now, the flying cars, houses on mars, submarine cities ?
Let´s face it, the science-fiction dreams turned out to be just fiction, and nuclear power was one of them.
There are other aspects of this theme complex that I find quite annoying,
like the fact that our various governments gave 200 billion Deutschmarks to that industry in 1950-2010.
Well, at least the power from these plants is for free now.....oh, wait...
Most of these plants aren´t even taxed anymore because they are written off,
and produce not only power but also 4 million € of profit per day for the "Big 4" power companies that rule the market.
Now this industry bails out of their responsibility with a sum that don´t even make up a 1/000 of the billions
it will cost the taxpayer to dismantle, store and guard the nuclear waste.
That surely is an interesting concept : rake the profits, share the losses.
The fact that nuclear powerplants and their potential accidents are not even insurable and liable
is another fact that contributes to the doubts -and votes- of many german citizens.
Are your british houses insurable against a nuclear accident or incident ? I doubt that.
The green voters have been described as "short-sighted" by some in this thread.
I wish that the men in charge of nuclear programs in Germany would have been not as short-sighted as they have been.
As for the question "where will our future energy come from?"
We will see, there are alternatives, and they would have been better developed with all that money
that was invested in the nuclear dead-end technology.
We could start a scrappage scheme again, this time for investments in electrical devices that consume less power
whilst being as effective as the ones we have now.
One whole power station is used only to produce stand-by power, there should be an "Off" switch again.
Germany is already quite good in developing effective renewable energy,
and with a growing market world-wide for that I expect this to be a major part of future industries.
Wind power, water power, geothermal power, there is something if you look for it,
and use it even if some people will complain about power lines or landscape modification.
Ask them if they want a nuclear waste depot instead and they become quiet really quickly.
Hey, I would even say YES to some new coal- or gas-burning power stations with modern filter equipment,
anything better than leave our kids some more radioactive heritage.
Well, other people´s kids, I don´t have any.
When you look at my profile you will find that I have a non-green hobby,
didn´t vote them in the last years.
In the last decades most of Germany´s younger generations faced their biggest problems
when deciding which brand to wear or which "Pop Star" to worship or which job to pick for making fast bucks.
Politics was sooo 70s and could turn out complicated and frustrating work if taken seriously.
But maybe they -and their parents- realized that there was something going wrong and should be changed.
I am 50 now and already quite cynical, maybe that´s why i like PH so much despite driving a shoddy Mk3 Golf estate.
On the other hand, it amuses me how you can´t understand ze geeermans now,
maybe you liked the times better when we were the monster hunsters and not the eco-trippy hipsters ?
Aren´t you glad we never got our hands on the bomb even though we had -and sadly have- enough material to do so ?
We still might send it to Windscale, in a V3.1, if it would make you feel better
€dit for late night spelling
(BTW: Interesting that you mention coal. I give it 10-15 years before the Ruhrgebiet is back in the coal mining business)
NAS said:
BTW: Interesting that you mention coal. I give it 10-15 years before the Ruhrgebiet is back in the coal mining business
The Ruhr has only what the germans call brown coal (lignite?), which is a sulphorous disgusting product, which only burns poorly. They have relatively little anthracite....However they do have the technology to remove the majority of the dangerous gasses from "brown" coal nowadays.....
What the green NIMBYs here should support are efficient and clean waste incinerators that generate power and local heating....... 3 birds with one stone, but the average greenie can't see beyond the end of his nose or garden!!
They'll have to. Oil prices will only keep on rising, nuclear is not popular so they'll have to do something that'll keep all those factories powered up. They'll find a solution and it'll happen. Of that I'm sure. The politicians are all too aware that the Germans are quite green minded and they're willing to pay for it in principle. But they can only pay for it, if they have jobs.....
JMGS4 said:
Just some more idiocy from the greenslime in Germany
1) They don't want cars but start bloody and violent protests against new trains and stations (but their politicians don't ride bikes to parliament!)
2) they don't want nuclear, but when the government say they're closing 7 of them, they take the govenment to court for an "unconstitutional" decision
3) they don't want any coal powered (but very clean) power stations
4) they don't want a gravity fed hydro power station although this is 100% eco! (present proposals here in the Black Forest are being blocked)
5) they don't want any packaging, but wnat clean quick easy to buy food
6) they don't want to store their own nuclear waste, but want to tear down old nukes and send the waste somewhere else
7) they want to close all race tracks including the Nürburgring Nordschleife
8) they protest violently against almost everything but have NO answers or solutions themselves
9) they don't want either waste dumps or even efficient and clean waste incineration which also produces power and heating
10) They do want ugly windymills everywhere, although 2 years ago they were protesting against them as they kill bats (according to thier "scientists")
11) however they do want to frighten the population with scare stories daily!!
I have the feeling that they are all just NIMBY dreamers who have no sense of reality whatsoever!!!
NIMBYism is right, and general health paranoia1) They don't want cars but start bloody and violent protests against new trains and stations (but their politicians don't ride bikes to parliament!)
2) they don't want nuclear, but when the government say they're closing 7 of them, they take the govenment to court for an "unconstitutional" decision
3) they don't want any coal powered (but very clean) power stations
4) they don't want a gravity fed hydro power station although this is 100% eco! (present proposals here in the Black Forest are being blocked)
5) they don't want any packaging, but wnat clean quick easy to buy food
6) they don't want to store their own nuclear waste, but want to tear down old nukes and send the waste somewhere else
7) they want to close all race tracks including the Nürburgring Nordschleife
8) they protest violently against almost everything but have NO answers or solutions themselves
9) they don't want either waste dumps or even efficient and clean waste incineration which also produces power and heating
10) They do want ugly windymills everywhere, although 2 years ago they were protesting against them as they kill bats (according to thier "scientists")
11) however they do want to frighten the population with scare stories daily!!
I have the feeling that they are all just NIMBY dreamers who have no sense of reality whatsoever!!!
you haven't noticed that there's an Apotheke every 100m and a Reformhaus on every street selling magic beans?
If you aren't suffering from some complaint in Germany, then there must be something wrong with you
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