Somali pirates could kill yacht couple within days.
Discussion
Mr E Driver said:
When the pirates started taking ships the amount they asked for a ransom to give the ship back was relatively small and as the ship owners paid up then the ransoms increased (up to £7m) and some have been paid because it was more cost effective to pay up than not to.
The pirates have made a big mistake taking the couple thinking the UK government would pay the ransom of £7m which was the original ransom they asked to get them back.
From the gov pov there is no reason to pay up but every reason not to as it will only encourage them.
It is costing money to keep them and hopefully it will dawn on these stupid brain dead pirates that they have made a mistake there is no value in the hostages and they will have to either hand them back alive with no payment or kill them.
You're all heart you are The pirates have made a big mistake taking the couple thinking the UK government would pay the ransom of £7m which was the original ransom they asked to get them back.
From the gov pov there is no reason to pay up but every reason not to as it will only encourage them.
It is costing money to keep them and hopefully it will dawn on these stupid brain dead pirates that they have made a mistake there is no value in the hostages and they will have to either hand them back alive with no payment or kill them.
Frankeh said:
I'm surprised a charity hasn't started up to raise the ransom. It's pretty outrageous that they've been there so long.
Probably not even close to the most outrageous events that have occured to amateur sailors in the past:Wikipedia said:
In August 1978 John Dewhirst, 26, was apparently holidaying off the Thai coast with his friends, New Zealander Kerry Hamill, 27, and Canadian Stuart Glass. Their yacht, the Foxy Lady, drifted south towards Cambodian waters and was not heard from again. It was initially believed all three men had either died at the hands of Thai pirates or been drowned in a storm.
Capture
In early 1979, the Vietnamese Army invaded Cambodia and overthrew the Pol Pot regime. They liberated the S-21 prison in the capital Phnom Penh where over 16,000 Cambodians were tortured to death on suspicion of spying against Cambodia. Photographs of the missing yachtsmen were found in the prison files along with the 'confessions' that everyone who entered S-21 was forced to write. It seems that Dewhirst and his friends had been arrested at sea by Khmer Rouge patrol boats. Stuart Glass was shot and killed during the capture of the Foxy Lady. Hamill and Dewhirst were both brought ashore and then taken by truck to the then deserted Phnom Penh. After being savagely tortured over several weeks, Dewhirst wrote a long confession that mixed true events in his life with wholly false accounts of his career as a CIA agent planning to subvert the Khmer Rouge regime. He claimed that his father (also an agent) had been paid a large bribe for inducting his son into the CIA and that his college course in Loughborough was interspersed with training as a spy. The confession was dated on July 5, 1978.[2] The former administrator of the prison, Comrade Duch said that he remembered Dewhirst as "very polite".
News on his death
How Dewhirst and Hamill met their end may never be truly known. Their deaths were revealed during late 1979 by reports during the national, nightly news program on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) network in the United States. Subsequently during January 1980, ABC News producer Edward Rasen, provided more details, including photographs and portions of confessions in a story by NOW! magazine of London.
It was assumed that Dewhirst was taken to the mass graves of Choeung Ek to be executed, but in the wake of the trial, Dewhirst was more than likely executed by being burned alive among the tires outside the prison[3]. Comrade Duch said that he received orders from his superiors that all westerners must be executed by being burned to remove all traces of their remains "I believe that nobody would dare to violate my orders"
Capture
In early 1979, the Vietnamese Army invaded Cambodia and overthrew the Pol Pot regime. They liberated the S-21 prison in the capital Phnom Penh where over 16,000 Cambodians were tortured to death on suspicion of spying against Cambodia. Photographs of the missing yachtsmen were found in the prison files along with the 'confessions' that everyone who entered S-21 was forced to write. It seems that Dewhirst and his friends had been arrested at sea by Khmer Rouge patrol boats. Stuart Glass was shot and killed during the capture of the Foxy Lady. Hamill and Dewhirst were both brought ashore and then taken by truck to the then deserted Phnom Penh. After being savagely tortured over several weeks, Dewhirst wrote a long confession that mixed true events in his life with wholly false accounts of his career as a CIA agent planning to subvert the Khmer Rouge regime. He claimed that his father (also an agent) had been paid a large bribe for inducting his son into the CIA and that his college course in Loughborough was interspersed with training as a spy. The confession was dated on July 5, 1978.[2] The former administrator of the prison, Comrade Duch said that he remembered Dewhirst as "very polite".
News on his death
How Dewhirst and Hamill met their end may never be truly known. Their deaths were revealed during late 1979 by reports during the national, nightly news program on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) network in the United States. Subsequently during January 1980, ABC News producer Edward Rasen, provided more details, including photographs and portions of confessions in a story by NOW! magazine of London.
It was assumed that Dewhirst was taken to the mass graves of Choeung Ek to be executed, but in the wake of the trial, Dewhirst was more than likely executed by being burned alive among the tires outside the prison[3]. Comrade Duch said that he received orders from his superiors that all westerners must be executed by being burned to remove all traces of their remains "I believe that nobody would dare to violate my orders"
Jimbeaux said:
What is it about this particular event of piracy that prevents an SAS-style rescue like the one the SEAL team did awhile back on one of these episodes?
At the cost of how many other lives? Have you been somewhere like this? If you haven't, it's very hard to imagine.jshell said:
Watch 'Blackhawk Down' for the answer to that one. The SEAL's were humped last time there. There is no 'sneaking' into an area where people live on the streets, there's eyes everywhere and every-fecker has an 'AK'.
That is not always a good analogy. I submit that if the situation warrants it, perhaps it is time for some sort of rescue operation.jshell said:
Jimbeaux said:
What is it about this particular event of piracy that prevents an SAS-style rescue like the one the SEAL team did awhile back on one of these episodes?
At the cost of how many other lives? Have you been somewhere like this? If you haven't, it's very hard to imagine.jshell said:
Watch 'Blackhawk Down' for the answer to that one. The SEAL's were humped last time there. There is no 'sneaking' into an area where people live on the streets, there's eyes everywhere and every-fecker has an 'AK'.
That is not always a good analogy. I submit that if the situation warrants it, perhaps it is time for some sort of rescue operation.Watching the news this evening this couple are now about to enter their second year in captivity! My heart goes out to them. The government need to take action in some form to get them out of there. If it was a member of the Royal family I would imagine the story would be very differnt.
cat220 said:
The government need to take action in some form to get them out of there.
I don't see that the government needs to do anything of the sort. I suppose they could pay the ransom, but you've got to figure that sending in a team of special forces is going to result in some deaths, and it's by no means sure whose deaths those would be. The captors are well entrenched and, I expect, well defended.singlecoil said:
cat220 said:
The government need to take action in some form to get them out of there.
I don't see that the government needs to do anything of the sort. I suppose they could pay the ransom, but you've got to figure that sending in a team of special forces is going to result in some deaths, and it's by no means sure whose deaths those would be. The captors are well entrenched and, I expect, well defended.
cat220 said:
singlecoil said:
cat220 said:
The government need to take action in some form to get them out of there.
I don't see that the government needs to do anything of the sort. I suppose they could pay the ransom, but you've got to figure that sending in a team of special forces is going to result in some deaths, and it's by no means sure whose deaths those would be. The captors are well entrenched and, I expect, well defended.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
youngsyr said:
cat220 said:
singlecoil said:
cat220 said:
The government need to take action in some form to get them out of there.
I don't see that the government needs to do anything of the sort. I suppose they could pay the ransom, but you've got to figure that sending in a team of special forces is going to result in some deaths, and it's by no means sure whose deaths those would be. The captors are well entrenched and, I expect, well defended.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
singlecoil said:
youngsyr said:
Having seen a recent documentary on a little-known SAS hostage rescue at a heavily defended rebel camp in Sierra Leone in 2000, it seems to me that that the will and ability to carry out a rescue operation that has even a slight chance of success is not lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
Had a read of that. I should imagine as a rebel that really is the last thing you would want to wake up to!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
The SAS were tasked with rescuing the hostages by abseiling into one camp whilst the paras held the rebels in another after being dropped off a mile or so away at a landing zone by Chinooks.
Not only did they rescue every single hostage, including one who wasn't held with the main group, but they also captured the rebel leader and the rebels were very heavily armed nut cases.
sadoksevoli said:
I think "tough luck" is the motto here, we're a knackered, bankrupt country, fighting a doomed war elsewhere, obsessed with utter s
te, and these two unfortunates mean nothing to anybody in power. Hope they don't suffer too much.
There are people far more knowledgeable than us looking at this. Personally, I suspect it is more down to the fact that they believe the pirates won't kill this couple, so their lives are not in imminent danger. There is a risk going in to rescue them, esp. since these types are very trigger happy. Leaving them for now outweighs the risk. Perhaps the balance will change in the future.te, and these two unfortunates mean nothing to anybody in power. Hope they don't suffer too much.youngsyr said:
singlecoil said:
youngsyr said:
Having seen a recent documentary on a little-known SAS hostage rescue at a heavily defended rebel camp in Sierra Leone in 2000, it seems to me that that the will and ability to carry out a rescue operation that has even a slight chance of success is not lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
Had a read of that. I should imagine as a rebel that really is the last thing you would want to wake up to!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
The SAS were tasked with rescuing the hostages by abseiling into one camp whilst the paras held the rebels in another after being dropped off a mile or so away at a landing zone by Chinooks.
Not only did they rescue every single hostage, including one who wasn't held with the main group, but they also captured the rebel leader and the rebels were very heavily armed nut cases.
Frankeh said:
youngsyr said:
singlecoil said:
youngsyr said:
Having seen a recent documentary on a little-known SAS hostage rescue at a heavily defended rebel camp in Sierra Leone in 2000, it seems to me that that the will and ability to carry out a rescue operation that has even a slight chance of success is not lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
Had a read of that. I should imagine as a rebel that really is the last thing you would want to wake up to!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
The SAS were tasked with rescuing the hostages by abseiling into one camp whilst the paras held the rebels in another after being dropped off a mile or so away at a landing zone by Chinooks.
Not only did they rescue every single hostage, including one who wasn't held with the main group, but they also captured the rebel leader and the rebels were very heavily armed nut cases.
A 2007 episode of the Discovery Channel TV show Zero Hour starring Clive Standen as Major Alan Marshall and narrated by Sean Pertwee documented the whole operation from the view point of all involved and included interviews with soldiers and West Side Boys involved.
A 2007 episode of the National Geographic Channel TV show Situation Critical documented the full story of the events leading up to the capture, the capture itself, the life of the prisoners while held hostage, plans for the operation, and the operation itself.
I'm pretty sure the episode I saw was called SAS Greatest Missions or something like that though.
Frankeh said:
youngsyr said:
singlecoil said:
youngsyr said:
Having seen a recent documentary on a little-known SAS hostage rescue at a heavily defended rebel camp in Sierra Leone in 2000, it seems to me that that the will and ability to carry out a rescue operation that has even a slight chance of success is not lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
Had a read of that. I should imagine as a rebel that really is the last thing you would want to wake up to!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
The SAS were tasked with rescuing the hostages by abseiling into one camp whilst the paras held the rebels in another after being dropped off a mile or so away at a landing zone by Chinooks.
Not only did they rescue every single hostage, including one who wasn't held with the main group, but they also captured the rebel leader and the rebels were very heavily armed nut cases.
It explains some of the games the rebels played such as sex the child where they put bets on what sex an unborn child was then the machetes came out...
Some people are not like people in the UK.
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