Half a million public sector job cuts tomorrow.....
Discussion
Elroy Blue said:
Tsippy said:
Elroy Blue said:
Suddenly, life is tough, the teddies are flying and it's 'we haven't got it now, so you can't have it either'. It's pathetic.
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More a case of 'Why should you be getting job security and pay increases while my business is increasingly taxed to the point of closure to fund you'.
Public sector workers don't seem to understand where money comes from, and there's a limit to how much you can penalise the private sector to fund the public sector before it becomes unsustainable, hence the current cuts.
tty hours, restrictions on my Private life and mediocre pay. I CHOSE a job that restricted the hours my wife could work and hence our earning potential as a household. One of the compensations was the promise of a half decent pension (which I pay 11% of my gross salary for). My friend CHOSE to go into the finacial sector. For 15 years he earned four times what I did. He drove fancy cars and went on three holidays a year to far flung places. Suddenly, his bonus isn't massive and he's suddenly become interested in a pension that he's paid a pittance into when he was earning vast sums.And guess what. I'm being taxed to death as well. The only 'benefit' I get is child benefit. I don't have the benefit of accountants to find ways to avoid paying tax or reclaiming VAT on everything you buy and claiming it was for business purposes. I'm one of those PAYE earners, that gets shafted in every way. You reaped the benefits over the many years times were good. Now stop whinging now you have to live the life us mere mortals had to live during that time.
t, I'm afraid cuts will have to be made as the country cannot continue providing jobs it cannot afford. I see no reason why the private sector that generates proper jobs and money for the country should suffer further taxes because the public sector has grown beyond its affordability.You complain about the conditions of work, but that you took them due to the potential pension, sadly it's a risk you took that did not work out. Again, s
t happens and you cannot be immune purely because you think you 'suffered' a bad worklife. pablo said:
i'm sick of private industry people here thinking that they are all whiter than white and that its the public sector or the labour governemnt who are wholly at fault for this situation,
You are missing two points here:1) I do not pay for the private sector. If pensions at IBM are underfunded, I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY.
2) If the public sector employs a bad private contractor that is THEIR responsibility.
For instance look at the NHS IT project. You can blame the IT companies, but actually the blame lies with government wanting to become a software company. Government should set standards and allow people to work within that. For instance standardise a data interchange format and leave the databases etc up to private firms who compete for business.
Most of the time government has some grand scheme that is totally impossible and wrong to implement - that's the price of having too many self important thicko public sector managers on £200k + benefits.
Tsippy said:
Elroy Blue said:
Tsippy said:
Elroy Blue said:
Suddenly, life is tough, the teddies are flying and it's 'we haven't got it now, so you can't have it either'. It's pathetic.
.
More a case of 'Why should you be getting job security and pay increases while my business is increasingly taxed to the point of closure to fund you'.
Public sector workers don't seem to understand where money comes from, and there's a limit to how much you can penalise the private sector to fund the public sector before it becomes unsustainable, hence the current cuts.
tty hours, restrictions on my Private life and mediocre pay. I CHOSE a job that restricted the hours my wife could work and hence our earning potential as a household. One of the compensations was the promise of a half decent pension (which I pay 11% of my gross salary for). My friend CHOSE to go into the finacial sector. For 15 years he earned four times what I did. He drove fancy cars and went on three holidays a year to far flung places. Suddenly, his bonus isn't massive and he's suddenly become interested in a pension that he's paid a pittance into when he was earning vast sums.And guess what. I'm being taxed to death as well. The only 'benefit' I get is child benefit. I don't have the benefit of accountants to find ways to avoid paying tax or reclaiming VAT on everything you buy and claiming it was for business purposes. I'm one of those PAYE earners, that gets shafted in every way. You reaped the benefits over the many years times were good. Now stop whinging now you have to live the life us mere mortals had to live during that time.
t, I'm afraid cuts will have to be made as the country cannot continue providing jobs it cannot afford. I see no reason why the private sector that generates proper jobs and money for the country should suffer further taxes because the public sector has grown beyond its affordability.You complain about the conditions of work, but that you took them due to the potential pension, sadly it's a risk you took that did not work out. Again, s
t happens and you cannot be immune purely because you think you 'suffered' a bad worklife. t happens! Elroy Blue said:
Tsippy said:
Elroy Blue said:
Tsippy said:
Elroy Blue said:
Suddenly, life is tough, the teddies are flying and it's 'we haven't got it now, so you can't have it either'. It's pathetic.
.
More a case of 'Why should you be getting job security and pay increases while my business is increasingly taxed to the point of closure to fund you'.
Public sector workers don't seem to understand where money comes from, and there's a limit to how much you can penalise the private sector to fund the public sector before it becomes unsustainable, hence the current cuts.
tty hours, restrictions on my Private life and mediocre pay. I CHOSE a job that restricted the hours my wife could work and hence our earning potential as a household. One of the compensations was the promise of a half decent pension (which I pay 11% of my gross salary for). My friend CHOSE to go into the finacial sector. For 15 years he earned four times what I did. He drove fancy cars and went on three holidays a year to far flung places. Suddenly, his bonus isn't massive and he's suddenly become interested in a pension that he's paid a pittance into when he was earning vast sums.And guess what. I'm being taxed to death as well. The only 'benefit' I get is child benefit. I don't have the benefit of accountants to find ways to avoid paying tax or reclaiming VAT on everything you buy and claiming it was for business purposes. I'm one of those PAYE earners, that gets shafted in every way. You reaped the benefits over the many years times were good. Now stop whinging now you have to live the life us mere mortals had to live during that time.
t, I'm afraid cuts will have to be made as the country cannot continue providing jobs it cannot afford. I see no reason why the private sector that generates proper jobs and money for the country should suffer further taxes because the public sector has grown beyond its affordability.You complain about the conditions of work, but that you took them due to the potential pension, sadly it's a risk you took that did not work out. Again, s
t happens and you cannot be immune purely because you think you 'suffered' a bad worklife. t happens! 
Tsippy said:
I think you'll find that you're the one whinging 
I'm just trying to explain why the public sector is unsustainable and needs cutting sooner rather than later, but I guess it's difficult for anyone to accept economic realities when their job is at risk.
I'm just trying to explain why the public sector is unsustainable and needs cutting sooner rather than later, but I guess it's difficult for anyone to accept economic realities when their job is at risk.Upton Sinclair said:
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!
Silver993tt said:
Well, to behonest I got fed up quite a cfew years ago and upped sticks from the UK. I got fed up with situations such as having to pay towards the national health service even when I was paying quite a chunk each year into a private health plan. Where I am now if I have a private health plan I don't pay into the state one and that is a country with the largest economy in Europe, so no 3rd world country, in fact definitely more 1st world than the UK when it comes to individuals.
Where is this utopia then?DS3R said:
Silver993tt said:
Well, to behonest I got fed up quite a cfew years ago and upped sticks from the UK. I got fed up with situations such as having to pay towards the national health service even when I was paying quite a chunk each year into a private health plan. Where I am now if I have a private health plan I don't pay into the state one and that is a country with the largest economy in Europe, so no 3rd world country, in fact definitely more 1st world than the UK when it comes to individuals.
Where is this utopia then?
Silver993tt said:
DS3R said:
Silver993tt said:
Well, to behonest I got fed up quite a cfew years ago and upped sticks from the UK. I got fed up with situations such as having to pay towards the national health service even when I was paying quite a chunk each year into a private health plan. Where I am now if I have a private health plan I don't pay into the state one and that is a country with the largest economy in Europe, so no 3rd world country, in fact definitely more 1st world than the UK when it comes to individuals.
Where is this utopia then?As you were!
markcoznottz said:
Sticks. said:
F i F said:
As commented by others there really are some pathetic spiteful people on this thread, and increasingly on PH these days.
That seems true, unfortunately.What's not said is that there's a high proportion of private sec workers who have no retiement provision at all and are therefore likely at retirement to be relying on the state.
Sticks. said:
markcoznottz said:
Sticks. said:
F i F said:
As commented by others there really are some pathetic spiteful people on this thread, and increasingly on PH these days.
That seems true, unfortunately.What's not said is that there's a high proportion of private sec workers who have no retiement provision at all and are therefore likely at retirement to be relying on the state.
Bing o said:
Sticks. said:
Bing o said:
Has someone who's never worked funded it?
Every penny we spend or save is taxed in some way. But that's o/t.Tsippy said:
I think you'll find that you're the one whinging I'm just trying to explain why the public sector is unsustainable and needs cutting sooner rather than later, but I guess it's difficult for anyone to accept economic realities when their job is at risk.
What typically snotty ,selfish attitude! I'm just trying to explain why the public sector is unsustainable and needs cutting sooner rather than later, but I guess it's difficult for anyone to accept economic realities when their job is at risk.HardToLove said:
Tsippy said:
I think you'll find that you're the one whinging I'm just trying to explain why the public sector is unsustainable and needs cutting sooner rather than later, but I guess it's difficult for anyone to accept economic realities when their job is at risk.
What typically snotty ,selfish attitude! I'm just trying to explain why the public sector is unsustainable and needs cutting sooner rather than later, but I guess it's difficult for anyone to accept economic realities when their job is at risk.Snotty? For wanting to see the tax we pay spent more wisely?
To want to not support an unsustainable public sector that is just not warranted and does not offer demonstrably better services that when it was half the size?
For daring to talk about the impending public sector pensions issue?
The public sector is not in exisitance to serve only its own interests... Shock for many of you though that will be.
rich1231 said:
The public sector is not in exisitance to serve only its own interests... Shock for many of you though that will be.
My experience of large swathes of the public sector is that it serves its own interests first in most occasions. I can think of several very large government grants that have been allocated via local authorities but the services have been delivered by a mix of charities, non profit companies etc. I can think of 3 of these from different govt depts in the past 3 years with over £10million a time being spent where the money allocated was a 40% - 60% split with the local authority taking the 40% for admin and management costs, often charging for the time of already salaried staff or promoting people into positions that were completely wrong for that individual. Surely if the services were delivered on 60% of the money allocated then it stands to reason that by cutting the expensive LA management system the overall spend could be cut by at least 20% with no drop and possibly an improvement in services.
Chris_w666 said:
rich1231 said:
The public sector is not in exisitance to serve only its own interests... Shock for many of you though that will be.
My experience of large swathes of the public sector is that it serves its own interests first in most occasions. I can think of several very large government grants that have been allocated via local authorities but the services have been delivered by a mix of charities, non profit companies etc. I can think of 3 of these from different govt depts in the past 3 years with over £10million a time being spent where the money allocated was a 40% - 60% split with the local authority taking the 40% for admin and management costs, often charging for the time of already salaried staff or promoting people into positions that were completely wrong for that individual. Surely if the services were delivered on 60% of the money allocated then it stands to reason that by cutting the expensive LA management system the overall spend could be cut by at least 20% with no drop and possibly an improvement in services.
Edited by Silver993tt on Monday 25th October 12:28
Edited by Silver993tt on Monday 25th October 12:29
Chris_w666 said:
rich1231 said:
The public sector is not in exisitance to serve only its own interests... Shock for many of you though that will be.
My experience of large swathes of the public sector is that it serves its own interests first in most occasions. I can think of several very large government grants that have been allocated via local authorities but the services have been delivered by a mix of charities, non profit companies etc. I can think of 3 of these from different govt depts in the past 3 years with over £10million a time being spent where the money allocated was a 40% - 60% split with the local authority taking the 40% for admin and management costs, often charging for the time of already salaried staff or promoting people into positions that were completely wrong for that individual. Surely if the services were delivered on 60% of the money allocated then it stands to reason that by cutting the expensive LA management system the overall spend could be cut by at least 20% with no drop and possibly an improvement in services.
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