Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[motco]

There was some character from National Trust on You and Yours at about 12:30hrs, and he was saying that villages and homes are being threatened by rising sea levels and coastal erosion, almost as if they were one and the same phenomenon. Did the BBC presenter query this? No, it was glibly repeated. As far as I can tell from Googling there has been no net sea level change for a very long time and yet this was presented as a fait accompli, not a forecast. NT Citizan

NT said:

Extreme weather, rising sea levels and tidal erosion are posing an alarming threat to thousands of archaeological sites along England’s coast and tidal estuaries. A community-led project is calling for volunteers to help survey these nationally-important sites before they disappear.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Some of this stuff is absolutely hysterical. They obviously do not stop to think about what comes out their mouths. They're just on auto-parrot.

[turbobloke]

2013BRM said:

turbobloke said:

The Obama administration has awarded an $8m grsnt to stufy the impact of climate change on indoor air quality. EPA defends the move. Money well spent

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/obama-administration-spe...

Freudian slip noted

It was just typing too fast and not having time to check, but I'll take the Feudian Boobs escape

Otispunkmeyer said:

Some of this stuff is absolutely hysterical. They obviously do not stop to think about what comes out their mouths. They're just on auto-parrot.

[TheExcession]

Holy Crap Literally, Holy and Crap.

some numbskull said:

Letter to President, Republic of Ireland Michael D. Higgins

Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon
Respond urgently to climate change by setting a renewable energy target of 100% by 2050

[turbobloke]

It really does look as though there are people with no brain, operating in a spinal cord knee-jerk existence.

[Ridgemont]

TheExcession said:

Holy Crap Literally, Holy and Crap.

some numbskull said:

Letter to President, Republic of Ireland Michael D. Higgins

Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon
Respond urgently to climate change by setting a renewable energy target of 100% by 2050

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Ireland

current usage of renewables - 7.2%

Well... it's an ambitious idea..

[turbobloke]

Ridgemont said:

TheExcession said:

Holy Crap Literally, Holy and Crap.

some numbskull said:

Letter to President, Republic of Ireland Michael D. Higgins

Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon
Respond urgently to climate change by setting a renewable energy target of 100% by 2050

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Ireland

current usage of renewables - 7.2%

Well... it's an ambitious idea..

It's a lethal idea - if it was ever likely - assuming we want e.g. hospitals, a pharmaceutical industry, heated and lit schools, universities, workplaces, with mechanised transport i.e. what separates us from a short and painful localised medieval lifestyle.

Renewable Energy ‘Simply won’t work’
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-...

Renewables Catch 22
http://bravenewclimate.com/2014/08/22/catch-22-of-...

[Mr GrimNasty]

motco said:

There was some character from National Trust on You and Yours at about 12:30hrs, and he was saying that villages and homes are being threatened by rising sea levels and coastal erosion, almost as if they were one and the same phenomenon. Did the BBC presenter query this? No, it was glibly repeated. As far as I can tell from Googling there has been no net sea level change for a very long time and yet this was presented as a fait accompli, not a forecast. NT Citizan

NT said:

Extreme weather, rising sea levels and tidal erosion are posing an alarming threat to thousands of archaeological sites along England’s coast and tidal estuaries. A community-led project is calling for volunteers to help survey these nationally-important sites before they disappear.

Quick, warn the residents of Doggerland before it's too late.

[TheExcession]

Hey, I'm only the messenger,

I had to sign it... sorry but it was the only way I could get a word in....

My word said:

I've signed this petition for one reason and that is to plead with everyone to go and do some research on this topic and stop believing everything you hear on TV or read in the papers.

90% of scientists do not agree that man made CO2 is causing the planet to warm up.

In fact the planet isn't warming up - please read about the curernt pause in this so called 'global warming'.

The 'science' is not settled, and the only reason CO2 is of concern is because it was programmed into the computer prediction models.

The very same computer models that are failing year-on-year to predict anything of use - Nature simply refuses to comply.

Why is CO2 the concern? "Because my dear fellow there is every likelihood we can tax it."

Do you really want the rest of this beautiful country covered with more wind farms? Have you ever visited a windfarm? Go visit the one near Fethard in Co Tipperary - take a listen and ask if you'd like that constant drone on your doorstep. Then ask the fella I spoke to if he minds them now he has spent E16K getting his house tripple glazed to keep the noise out.

Go take a look at the one near Hollyford, ask your self the same.

These policies for renewables are insane - they are sinply not sustainable - when the lights go out on Christmas day because there is no wind, and you can't cook your turkey or goose, don't complain, because you were warned.

A link for good reading is http://wattsupwiththat.com/ - Allegedly the World's most viewed site on global warming and climate change.

Please educate yourselves.

Doubt it will be published, but hey you have to try.....

[turbobloke]

No messenger shooting here Ex!

Yes it's always worth a try but removal at moderation (or deletion) and an IP address lock-out usually follow.

[TheExcession]

It appears the 'change.org' have no contact details, nor do they have a means to complain.

Utterly anonymous appear they to be. /yoda

https://www.change.org/about

They do have the opportunity to start a petition though, perhaps we could start a petition to get them to close down?

Mean while a strongly worded email has gone out from my end to Mr Michael Higgins and my local MP.

However, I want an answer as to why I signed the petition but my post doesn't appear on the on their site.

I think we might start a new PH thread where we document our efforts. Perhaps call it "Climate change - the questions with no answers."?

[Lotus 50]

motco said:

There was some character from National Trust on You and Yours at about 12:30hrs, and he was saying that villages and homes are being threatened by rising sea levels and coastal erosion, almost as if they were one and the same phenomenon. Did the BBC presenter query this? No, it was glibly repeated. As far as I can tell from Googling there has been no net sea level change for a very long time and yet this was presented as a fait accompli, not a forecast. NT Citizan

NT said:

Extreme weather, rising sea levels and tidal erosion are posing an alarming threat to thousands of archaeological sites along England’s coast and tidal estuaries. A community-led project is calling for volunteers to help survey these nationally-important sites before they disappear.

Not sure which google you used but UK sea level is changing (increasing 2-3mm pa) - a quick search give plenty of info from the BGS, the national tidal and sea level facility etc (e.g.: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateCha...http://www.ntslf.org/products/sea-level-trends).

[motco]

Lotus 50 said:

motco said:

There was some character from National Trust on You and Yours at about 12:30hrs, and he was saying that villages and homes are being threatened by rising sea levels and coastal erosion, almost as if they were one and the same phenomenon. Did the BBC presenter query this? No, it was glibly repeated. As far as I can tell from Googling there has been no net sea level change for a very long time and yet this was presented as a fait accompli, not a forecast. NT Citizan

NT said:

Extreme weather, rising sea levels and tidal erosion are posing an alarming threat to thousands of archaeological sites along England’s coast and tidal estuaries. A community-led project is calling for volunteers to help survey these nationally-important sites before they disappear.

Not sure which google you used but UK sea level is changing (increasing 2-3mm pa) - a quick search give plenty of info from the BGS, the national tidal and sea level facility etc (e.g.: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateCha...http://www.ntslf.org/products/sea-level-trends).

One source

Another - Telegraph

I'm only the messenger...

[turbobloke]

Lotus 50 said:

motco said:

There was some character from National Trust on You and Yours at about 12:30hrs, and he was saying that villages and homes are being threatened by rising sea levels and coastal erosion, almost as if they were one and the same phenomenon. Did the BBC presenter query this? No, it was glibly repeated. As far as I can tell from Googling there has been no net sea level change for a very long time and yet this was presented as a fait accompli, not a forecast. NT Citizan

NT said:

Extreme weather, rising sea levels and tidal erosion are posing an alarming threat to thousands of archaeological sites along England’s coast and tidal estuaries. A community-led project is calling for volunteers to help survey these nationally-important sites before they disappear.

Not sure which google you used but UK sea level is changing (increasing 2-3mm pa) - a quick search give plenty of info from the BGS, the national tidal and sea level facility etc (e.g.: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateCha...http://www.ntslf.org/products/sea-level-trends).

That link gives page not found, not sure why.

The issue of sea level change goes beyond a near-zero value whatever magnitude may be claimed globally or locally. At the heart of it is a claimed link with immeasurably small manmade global warming.

For example Gregory et al in the Journal of Climate (2012) looked at a possible relationship between global climate change and the rate of mean sea level rise, concluding that "such a relationship is weak or absent during the 20th century". The BBC doesn't cite that paper particularly often, if ever.

Very few articles or papers go into sufficient detail regarding their claimed contribution to the resultant sea level change rate from relevant factors including glacial isostasy, change in seafloor spreading rate, sediment transfer, 'juvenile' water e.g. volcanism, groundwater extraction, reservoir impoundment and thermosteric effects.

IPCC has claimed sea levels are rising by ~3mm a year due to the sea level equivalent of the infamous single tree YAD061. IPCC's favoured contributors have apparently drawn on the readings of a single tide gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a ~3mm rise to recalibrate sea level rise.

For the UK the sea level change position isn't singular. There are different rates of claimed sea level change around thw coast due to e.g. different rates of isostatic rebound, which varies along a roughly north west to south east axis as south-east England is sinking whereas western Scotland is rising out of the sea.

Due to a large number of uncertainties and the magnitude of combined errors in a near-zero problem (and putting to one side considerations of fudgefactoring) modelled predictions of the future are unreliable.

[mike9009]

I was a little amazed by a one minute soundbite on BBC R4 this morning.

They managed to link CO2 emissions (global warming) with the terrorist threat posed by IS. I don't get very vocal during my drive to work normally but this did get me....

Listen for about one minute from 1:06:40 onwards, really incredible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0651nty

I wonder what these scientists blame Hitlers actions on? Too much Nitrous Oxide??

Mike

[Beati Dogu]

"Could, might, likely..."

The language of the global warming priesthood.

[wc98]

turbobloke said:

What's next? It's no less pertinent this afternoon as Paris tick-tocks ever closer.

Attempts to erase data may or may not have been successful in the basic sense but it hasn't helped The Cause. The same Fail applies in other instances.

Attempt to erase global MWP & LIA - fail.
Attempt to hide the decline - fail.
Attempt to erase The Pause - fail.
Attempt to erase solar forcing - fail.
Attempt to erase...?

Is there anything remotely feasible left for political scientists to go for?

the national snow and ice data centre are doing a good job of erasing all the ice in hudson bay at the moment. looking at the discrepancy between the nsdic and the dmi ice extent charts ,it is not only the hudson bay area they cannot see the ice.

[wc98]

Lotus 50 said:

Not sure which google you used but UK sea level is changing (increasing 2-3mm pa) - a quick search give plenty of info from the BGS, the national tidal and sea level facility etc (e.g.: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateCha...http://www.ntslf.org/products/sea-level-trends).

i have fished the coastline of the uk regularly over the last 30 years . i can assure you that there has been no 3 mm rise per year as measured at the mean high water spring tide line . go and get your kids to chisel a line in a breakwater on the 31 st of august on the afternoon high tide (just about as big a spring tide as we see in the uk) and take a barometer reading at the same time . then get them to check the line on a similar height tide in 30 years . (wind will also play a factor, so hope for a relatively calm day)
i will likely be dead by then, but at least you will know someone has been telling you a load of st. note the geologists in the first link put the onus on someone else,s results . you will see much buck passing in the climate science community beginning within the next few years.

[turbobloke]

This has probably been posted before and if so, a revisit with Paris approaching will do no harm. It's a UN global poll with over 7.5 million votes counted which puts climate change last in the priority list.



It looks like the EPA's spokesbod is way out of touch (see fun quiz post) what a surprise.

[turbobloke]

Michael Mann on the 2016 USA election said:

This will be a make-or-break presidency as far as our ability to avert a climate change catastrophe.

Not to mention the ability to waste further £trillions on a non-problem that's not down to us. At least the supremacy of politics over science is acknowledged.