Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Burwood said:
Can Labour popularity fall to single digits?
It's a distinct possibility. Anything the LibDems can do...Kermit power said:
turbobloke said:
Burwood said:
Can Labour popularity fall to single digits?
It's a distinct possibility. Anything the LibDems can do...
Then there's this amusing explanation for something not being quite right (or legal) in a Labour leaflet.
Excuse said:
Labour has insisted that a failure to include a necessary imprint — showing the name and address of the leaflet’s publisher — on thousands of leaflets was an honest printing error.
The Local Voice Labour leaflet has been distributed to residents ahead of the Rumworth by-election, which takes place on Thursday.
The leaflet is edited by Labour’s candidate Shamim Abdullah and urges residents to choose her to replace late Cllr Rosa Kay in the seat.
Around 4,000 have been delivered, but they do not show the imprint, which is legally required under the Representation of the People Act.
However, Ms Abdullah and her election agent, fellow Rumworth Councillor Ebrahim Adia said the imprint was included in the final design of the leaflets before they were sent to the printer.
He has sent evidence of this to The Bolton News, which indicates that this is the case.
A joint statement from Ms Abdullah and Cllr Adia said: ”We have been made aware that a leaflet distributed by the Labour Party in the Rumworth Ward does not show the imprint.
“We have investigated this and can confirm that the imprint is actually on the leaflet but because of the design the imprint is not visible in the printed version."
Ooops.The Local Voice Labour leaflet has been distributed to residents ahead of the Rumworth by-election, which takes place on Thursday.
The leaflet is edited by Labour’s candidate Shamim Abdullah and urges residents to choose her to replace late Cllr Rosa Kay in the seat.
Around 4,000 have been delivered, but they do not show the imprint, which is legally required under the Representation of the People Act.
However, Ms Abdullah and her election agent, fellow Rumworth Councillor Ebrahim Adia said the imprint was included in the final design of the leaflets before they were sent to the printer.
He has sent evidence of this to The Bolton News, which indicates that this is the case.
A joint statement from Ms Abdullah and Cllr Adia said: ”We have been made aware that a leaflet distributed by the Labour Party in the Rumworth Ward does not show the imprint.
“We have investigated this and can confirm that the imprint is actually on the leaflet but because of the design the imprint is not visible in the printed version."
mybrainhurts said:
Jonesy23 said:
Andy Zarse said:
Jeremy Corbyn fails to turn up to his own "emergency" Brexit rally. uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-…
Can't really blame him, almost no-one else turned up either!williamp said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jonesy23 said:
Andy Zarse said:
Jeremy Corbyn fails to turn up to his own "emergency" Brexit rally. uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-…
Can't really blame him, almost no-one else turned up either!Jezza failed to turn up to speak at his own emergency rally to protest against a Brexit Bill which he had whipped his MPs to support in the Commons, even though he himself had advocated leaving the EU for the previous 35 years but had supported Remain during the referendum campaign.
So please feel free to call me Mr Thicky if I have missed something obvious, but to my mind theres's some pretty mixed signals here.
Andy Zarse said:
I'm getting a bit confused here so tell me if I have got this right;
Jezza failed to turn up to speak at his own emergency rally to protest against a Brexit Bill which he had whipped his MPs to support in the Commons, even though he himself had advocated leaving the EU for the previous 35 years but had supported Remain during the referendum campaign.
So please feel free to call me Mr Thicky if I have missed something obvious, but to my mind theres's some pretty mixed signals here.
Maybe he couldn't make it because he was too busy preparing for PMQs?Jezza failed to turn up to speak at his own emergency rally to protest against a Brexit Bill which he had whipped his MPs to support in the Commons, even though he himself had advocated leaving the EU for the previous 35 years but had supported Remain during the referendum campaign.
So please feel free to call me Mr Thicky if I have missed something obvious, but to my mind theres's some pretty mixed signals here.
You have to wonder when HMRC will start investigating him for failing to declare his income from the Conservative Party on his annual tax return!
TLandCruiser said:
I really like corbyn, he's the gift that keeps on giving....hopefully he can maintain his performance until the next GE so we can avoid another labour government.
Don't hold your breath. Those who protest as a hobby seem to be slowly waking up to the fact that this isn't going to end in a sweeping victory for the Proletariat worthy of much vodka and song. A lot of my friends are rabid Lefty types and if their grumbles are anything to go by, he is haemorraging support and I think we will see another leadership challenge well before 2020, possibly a successful one.
Whoever replaces him will be just as useless, and chances are it will put floating voters off as Labour will be seen to be in disarray (a fair assessment), but I am tempted to put a few quid on Corbyn never facing a GE...
They have a split party now with a "movement" within it which is far left and a Parliamentary party which is clinging on to something resembling the centre. There is still much blood letting to take place and even more defeats before they do what Kinnock did in the 80's and ban the far left from the Party.
Yvete Cooper would seem to be about the only credible candidate they can put up, I am no fan. But at least she has the experience and ability to actual make an impact.
I just don't see who else they have left, however she is a Blair Babe, and therefore highly unlikely to get the gig in the current climate
johnxjsc1985 said:
They have a split party now with a "movement" within it which is far left and a Parliamentary party which is clinging on to something resembling the centre. There is still much blood letting to take place and even more defeats before they do what Kinnock did in the 80's and ban the far left from the Party.
It simply cannot be done; nice Mr Millipede's party election reforms saw to it. The membership controls the Labour party and the membership is far left, with Corbyn as its totem. If there is a putsch it will have to come from the grass roots and they will want him replaced by another rabid unelectable fire brand socialist. I question if there's enough support within the PLP to get such a fabulous monster on the ballot paper? This means Labour are currently in a Mexican standoff between the PLP and the membership, neither wishing to blink first. This probably means Corby isn't going anywhere for the time being.
If Mrs May does not trigger Brexit, outline her plans and call a GE later this year then she will have missed a trick.
Nick Cohen has a little rant at Corbyn supporters: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar...
The article itself isn't anything special, but the comment section is worth a laugh.
Meantime, its alleged that Momentum are gearing up to control the Labour party: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/s...
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
If that is the case May needs to put through an early election to call their bluff and leave them on the sidelines for another 5 years...
The article itself isn't anything special, but the comment section is worth a laugh.
Meantime, its alleged that Momentum are gearing up to control the Labour party: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/s...
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
If that is the case May needs to put through an early election to call their bluff and leave them on the sidelines for another 5 years...
Gargamel said:
Yvete Cooper would seem to be about the only credible candidate they can put up, I am no fan. But at least she has the experience and ability to actual make an impact.
I just don't see who else they have left, however she is a Blair Babe, and therefore highly unlikely to get the gig in the current climate
Absolutely not. this self satisfied smug woman is part (and a BIG part) of why the Labour Party is in the mess it is. Her and her "clever lets widen the debate and invite the rabid dogs in rather than shooting them" is exactly why the Labour Party is in the mess it is.I just don't see who else they have left, however she is a Blair Babe, and therefore highly unlikely to get the gig in the current climate
It might surprise you (not you personally but the general YOU) that I am not naturally a supporter of the Tories. I believed in labour in '96 and voted in '97 Put simply they betrayed me not only about the war but other stuff.
I despise them so much now.
Crafty_ said:
Nick Cohen has a little rant at Corbyn supporters: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar...
The article itself isn't anything special, but the comment section is worth a laugh.
Meantime, its alleged that Momentum are gearing up to control the Labour party: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/s...
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
If that is the case May needs to put through an early election to call their bluff and leave them on the sidelines for another 5 years...
Are Momentum really interested in winning elections anyway? Labour grass roots never forgive a leader who has won a general election. 'No pandering to the electorate' and all that.The article itself isn't anything special, but the comment section is worth a laugh.
Meantime, its alleged that Momentum are gearing up to control the Labour party: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/s...
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
If that is the case May needs to put through an early election to call their bluff and leave them on the sidelines for another 5 years...
Dr Jekyll said:
Crafty_ said:
Nick Cohen has a little rant at Corbyn supporters: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar...
The article itself isn't anything special, but the comment section is worth a laugh.
Meantime, its alleged that Momentum are gearing up to control the Labour party: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/s...
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
If that is the case May needs to put through an early election to call their bluff and leave them on the sidelines for another 5 years...
Are Momentum really interested in winning elections anyway? Labour grass roots never forgive a leader who has won a general election. 'No pandering to the electorate' and all that.The article itself isn't anything special, but the comment section is worth a laugh.
Meantime, its alleged that Momentum are gearing up to control the Labour party: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/s...
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
If that is the case May needs to put through an early election to call their bluff and leave them on the sidelines for another 5 years...
We've seen 2~3 years of needless public sector & key institution strikes,
My employer has sole recognition by Unite and again it's pay and conditions review time and their the starting point is a 5~6% rise + umpteen other cost benefits, (Yes please but unrealistic) so more work to rule and no overtime ....
Genuinely think if Momentum & Unite link together their desire for a national strike and dismantling of employers and employment will begin. The Tories will be crushed under the control of a fifth column of key point firebrands leading workers with apathy and ignorance into a bitter wilderness
As an example of positive left thinking compare France & UK in 2010 with both having 8% unemployment ... Now 2017 Socialist France now 10% & UK at 4.8% .... They say the Tories don't care for the poor but unemployment does not help the poor either ... or pay for the NHS/Teachers/Pay the deficit let alone the dept.
I see troubled times ahead
Crafty_ said:
Makes me wonder if Momentum encouraged Corbyn's leadership so they can later turn around, point out how utterly useless he is and put their 'real' leader in place ?
Totally this - there was a channel4? doc about Momentum, where they got undercover footage of Momentum supporters discussing the removal of Corbyn once he'd served his purpose. Seemed a done deal amongst some. T6 vanman said:
I'm genuinely concerned of 'Crafty's' second link,
We've seen 2~3 years of needless public sector & key institution strikes,
My employer has sole recognition by Unite and again it's pay and conditions review time and their the starting point is a 5~6% rise + umpteen other cost benefits, (Yes please but unrealistic) so more work to rule and no overtime ....
Genuinely think if Momentum & Unite link together their desire for a national strike and dismantling of employers and employment will begin. The Tories will be crushed under the control of a fifth column of key point firebrands leading workers with apathy and ignorance into a bitter wilderness
As an example of positive left thinking compare France & UK in 2010 with both having 8% unemployment ... Now 2017 Socialist France now 10% & UK at 4.8% .... They say the Tories don't care for the poor but unemployment does not help the poor either ... or pay for the NHS/Teachers/Pay the deficit let alone the dept.
I see troubled times ahead
The public's sympathy for strikes is at the lowest it's been for many, many years.We've seen 2~3 years of needless public sector & key institution strikes,
My employer has sole recognition by Unite and again it's pay and conditions review time and their the starting point is a 5~6% rise + umpteen other cost benefits, (Yes please but unrealistic) so more work to rule and no overtime ....
Genuinely think if Momentum & Unite link together their desire for a national strike and dismantling of employers and employment will begin. The Tories will be crushed under the control of a fifth column of key point firebrands leading workers with apathy and ignorance into a bitter wilderness
As an example of positive left thinking compare France & UK in 2010 with both having 8% unemployment ... Now 2017 Socialist France now 10% & UK at 4.8% .... They say the Tories don't care for the poor but unemployment does not help the poor either ... or pay for the NHS/Teachers/Pay the deficit let alone the dept.
I see troubled times ahead
Quite simply, they'd be signing their own unemployment, with the public cheering that on and moving to the right.
Too many of the working class now drive Audis parked outside their mortgaged houses, and quite frankly are too aspirational to go off on a class war in the name of socialism/collectivism/communism.
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