Mexican Drugs Gangsters Do Not Mess About...

[blindswelledrat]

Aphex said:

I'd hazard a guess that KH doesn't like these movies at all but he exposes himself to them as thats what the real world is. Not sure why people would have a problem with that

A couple of flaws to this argument:

1) TO do this a normal person would watch one or two of them, feel the distaste, and visualise those every time they saw a news article to remind themselves how serious it is. Not join a members-only torture video website and thrive on it.

2)KH has actually said he enjoys it. He likens it to better horror films.

Other than that, though, I am sure you are right.

[Aphex]

Greg66 said:

So having watched this video, you are ever more determined than previously not to cross a Mexican drug cartel, are you? And that's the "good" that's come of being exposed to the video, is it?

Yes. Being a person that is not exposed to anything like this in my life I'm not sure I wouldn't just think it was all a joke. Whereas I'd feel my life was in danger now and I would be doing everything in my power to get out of it.

Whats the likelihood of it, basically zero. Still, doesn't hurt to be prepared in my mind

[anonymous-user]

Aphex said:

Greg66 said:

So having watched this video, you are ever more determined than previously not to cross a Mexican drug cartel, are you? And that's the "good" that's come of being exposed to the video, is it?

Yes. Being a person that is not exposed to anything like this in my life I'm not sure I wouldn't just think it was all a joke. Whereas I'd feel my life was in danger now and I would be doing everything in my power to get out of it.

Whats the likelihood of it, basically zero. Still, doesn't hurt to be prepared in my mind

Oooo-kayyyy.

[Dindoit]

Aphex said:

Yes. Being a person that is not exposed to anything like this in my life I'm not sure I wouldn't just think it was all a joke. Whereas I'd feel my life was in danger now and I would be doing everything in my power to get out of it.

Whats the likelihood of it, basically zero. Still, doesn't hurt to be prepared in my mind

Baden Powell would approve I’m sure. Do they do a badge for seeking out torture videos?

[Joey Ramone]

El stovey said:

Joey Ramone said:

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that if you can stomach this stuff, for whatever reason, but completely compartmentalise it and not let it affect your behaviour in the real world, then that's less a cause for concern than those who would consider such viewing habits as disgusting and indicative of mental illness but who themselves display real-world anti-social tendencies that actually impact other people's lives.

I don’t really follow your point.

Are you saying someone who watches torture videos but doesn’t hurt people is less harmful to society than someone who hurts people? If that’s the case then that’s correct.

What’s the connection though? Are people on here that think watching this stuff is a bit sick more likely to be rapists or something?

No. I'm saying that these sorts of viewing habits are not necessarily indicative, in themselves, of anything wrong with someone's state of mind. And that there are those who might consider such viewing habits as disgusting but whose worldview essentially allows them, in the real world, to commit genuinely unpleasant acts and who are thus a far greater social menace than KH

Christopher Browning's 'Ordinary Men' is a perfect example of this.

[King Herald]

Damn, I never realised PH was full of so many sensitive pussies.

Seriously, I’m touched by your concern. I’m off to torture a cat to death now, driven by my depravity.

[Aphex]

Dindoit said:

Baden Powell would approve I’m sure. Do they do a badge for seeking out torture videos?

Do who do a badge?

Oh, its a Scouts joke

Edited by Aphex on Monday 29th January 12:02

[sir humphrey appleby]

King Herald said:

It is shocking, horrific, often I cannot watch some at all. I feel for the people involved. But it is not like I sit at a screen fapping at it 12 hours a day, watching anything that comes up. Most of the videos are actually of accidents, not torture or murder. But it happens, it IS the real world.

How many shows on TV are based on terrible accidents and disasters, crashes etc, and people watch them in their millions. With the disclaimer “no people were hurt in these videos” posted at the end, because people are scared of reality. If they realised they had watched someone die they would be mortified. They want to see carnage, but don’t want to see TOO much detail, because it upsets their feeble sensibilities.

I do find it touching that so many people are genuinely concerned about my viewing habits.

Thanks guys, warm glow etc etc.

Now trot on, other threads to critique on, I’m sure you have something else to do with your time.

Edited by King Herald on Monday 29th January 10:40

Not concerned at all, you can do what you like and I am sure you do.

If a friend of mine told me he enjoyed watching these videos, seeked them out and then tried to explain to me that I was the feeble one, I would call him a fking weirdo.

Not saying you are of course.

[bstb3]

Joey Ramone said:

No. I'm saying that these sorts of viewing habits are not necessarily indicative, in themselves, of anything wrong with someone's state of mind. And that there are those who might consider such viewing habits as disgusting but whose worldview essentially allows them, in the real world, to commit genuinely unpleasant acts and who are thus a far greater social menace than KH

Christopher Browning's 'Ordinary Men' is a perfect example of this.

So what you're saying is... We shouldn't worry about people viewing this stuff, because there are people who don't view this, and think it's bad, but then do worse things themselves? /Newman mode off

Well what bloody chance does that give us? On that basis we shouldn't worry about anything, because you can guarantee we could find some sorry s.o.a.b somewhere who doesn't do that thing, doesn't approve of that thing, but does pretty bad other things themselves.

I think I'd rather we concern ourselves with outliers, because there's a likely chance that at least some of them are indicative of problems. The ordinary man stuff is much harder to deal with, because humanity and mob rule etc, but choosing to ignore likely problem indicators because of it seems daft.

[Dindoit]

Aphex said:

Do who do a badge?

I was admiring your be prepared attitude

[Joey Ramone]

bstb3 said:

So what you're saying is... We shouldn't worry about people viewing this stuff, because there are people who don't view this, and think it's bad, but then do worse things themselves? /Newman mode off

Well what bloody chance does that give us? On that basis we shouldn't worry about anything, because you can guarantee we could find some sorry s.o.a.b somewhere who doesn't do that thing, doesn't approve of that thing, but does pretty bad other things themselves.

I think I'd rather we concern ourselves with outliers, because there's a likely chance that at least some of them are indicative of problems. The ordinary man stuff is much harder to deal with, because humanity and mob rule etc, but choosing to ignore likely problem indicators because of it seems daft.

It's not a question of 'ignoring'. It's simply a question of not jumping to conclusions.

[Aphex]

Dindoit said:

I was admiring your be prepared attitude

Slow on the uptake of the pisstake

[anonymous-user]

It’s like there’s one pseudo alpha male one-upmanship.

“Oh I can watch the worst and feel the least.”

Having said that I think many people have a natural morbid curiousity. Whether that itch needs scratching by watching what some of the worst people alive do to others is another matter.

Regarding firearms. I think the problems with ‘drug cartels’ is somewhat beyond reasoned firearms freedoms / prohibition.

The ‘war on drugs’ will never realistically be won. The solution would be to decriminalise, but would we ever want that to happen with something like cocaine?

[blindswelledrat]

La Liga said:

Having said that I think many people have a natural morbid curiousity. Whether that itch needs scratching by watching what some of the worst people alive do to others is another matter.

I think we have all watched at least one thing out of morbid curiosity. Most of us feel a bit sick, regret it and make a point of avoiding doing it again.
Others join members-only websites and sit there masturbating into a glove made from cows heart whilst shouting "Yes, I'm not a pussy" or similar.

[TheJimi]

I know the world can be a really stty, hellish place.

I also know that depths to which humans are able to sink is limitless.

I know these things, and my faith in humanity is vanishingly slim as it is, I don't I don't need to watch a video of a guy being skinned alive to remind me how st we can be to each other.

Hence, I don't want to watch that kinda stuff.

Does that make me a sensitive pussy, KH?

Edited by TheJimi on Monday 29th January 13:06

[wc98]

La Liga said:

It’s like there’s one pseudo alpha male one-upmanship.

“Oh I can watch the worst and feel the least.”

Having said that I think many people have a natural morbid curiousity. Whether that itch needs scratching by watching what some of the worst people alive do to others is another matter.

Regarding firearms. I think the problems with ‘drug cartels’ is somewhat beyond reasoned firearms freedoms / prohibition.

The ‘war on drugs’ will never realistically be won. The solution would be to decriminalise, but would we ever want that to happen with something like cocaine?

well real life is a current example of how the western world is with completely unrestricted access to cocaine. i do not see what the difference would be ,in the uk for instance, if it was made legal. it might cut down on the type of actions being talked about in this thread elsewhere though. anyone repeatedly seeking out snuff films needs to have a word with themselves imo.

[poo at Paul's]

I noted on another thread, the absurdity of the sort of precious snowflake joyless society that is being forced upon us, with Darts walk out girls and grid girls banned etc. And yet, as a society we are being desensitised to some of the most horrific stuff in the mainstream media, social media, internet etc, hardcore filth of the most depraved type, freely available, obviously quite unpleasant stuff being discussed here available, and violent video games, movies etc, more violent and depraved than ever before.

All rather ironic and absurd when you think......

As for KH, I don't have any particular issue with his morbid curiosity, but worth keeping it under control, (don't buy a chainsaw if you have no trees, etc!!). And he is right, these things do happen, are happening in our world, and it is naïve to pretend otherwise, no matter how much it makes us squirm.

Just seems odd that we are in the most permissive society ever from a point of view of our sexual preferences, entertainment, availability of horrific and depraved images / propaganda, all of which is largely unchecked, and we're not allowed to have consenting professional promo girls earn a living, because some company is worried about what someone who clearly knows fk all about fk all gets their knickers in a twist. You'd think they be complaining more about stuff mentioned on here in this thread, which their kids could be watching, although i'd like to see how far they'd get with that.

What a very odd world / society we are living in, when you think about it.

[Yipper]

Watching a snuff movie for entertainment is not normal behaviour. It's the kind of thing serial killers do.

[Tycho]

TheJimi said:

I know the world can be a really stty, hellish place.

I also know that depths to which humans are able to sink is limitless.

I know these things, and my faith in humanity is vanishingly slim as it is, I don't I don't need to watch a video of a guy being skinned alive to remind me how st we can be to each other.

Hence, I don't want to watch that kinda stuff.

Does that make me a sensitive pussy, KH?

Edited by TheJimi on Monday 29th January 13:06

Yes it does, you pansy...

In all seriousness though, if you look at these things for pleasure and keep going back to them it doesn't matter if you are otherwise normal I'd suggest you need help.

I have no idea why people would want to watch these things.

[TheJimi]

poo at Paul's said:

And he is right, these things do happen, are happening in our world, and it is naïve to pretend otherwise, no matter how much it makes us squirm.

Eh?

KH has made the same point. WTF? Can you show me where *anyone* on this thread has suggested that these things don't happen?

Or point me towards someone who is, as you suggest, pretending otherwise?

Just because people like me (see my post above) don't want to watch this st, doesn't mean to say that we're naively thinking that the world is all flowers & fluffy rabbits.