UK General Election 2015
Discussion
BGARK said:
Welshbeef said:
Milliband keeps saying all their policies are fully costed by independent experts
I have seriously not understood anything Labour has said, the only numbers seem to go up up to 3, for a 3 point plan, when asked what's in the plan they start talking about the weather or hard working people, maybe they should add Schizophrenia to their list of policies. Who said that!Labour seem to be trying to blend in the £2.5billion as part of the £8billion and get it now not 5 years time. Bull shot
Targarama said:
The Mansion Tax is a crazy idea and I am sure the champagne socialists know it in reality. However if Ed(s) get in and implement it you can be sure it will be repealed as soon as a more sensible party comes to power again.
Is a right wing government or coalition a likely outcome in the near future? The Conservatives haven't won a majority since 1992. Even as a coalition their brand and way of operating has poisoned their centrist coalition partners which will end any possibility of a longer term coalition.speedy_thrills said:
Targarama said:
The Mansion Tax is a crazy idea and I am sure the champagne socialists know it in reality. However if Ed(s) get in and implement it you can be sure it will be repealed as soon as a more sensible party comes to power again.
Is a right wing government or coalition a likely outcome in the near future? The Conservatives haven't won a majority since 1992. Even as a coalition their brand and way of operating has poisoned their centrist coalition partners which will end any possibility of a longer term coalition.In 1974 more people voted conservative than labour but labour won the election through the FPTP system.
Have a look at any voting map of the UK and compare blue with any other colour, we are a blue country. Scotland is also a good example with in 1997 with 18% of the vote the conservatives didn't win one seat.
If we get a Red Ed/SNP win then the tories have only themselves to blame - their election campaign seems to have been invisible - Milliband just seems to be getting all the airtime and all the column inches.
Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
h8tax said:
If we get a Red Ed/SNP win then the tories have only themselves to blame - their election campaign seems to have been invisible - Milliband just seems to be getting all the airtime and all the column inches.
Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
To be fair the TV debates last election proved that they didn't change the voting outcome. End of the day only maybe 5-10% are ever undecided or trying to pull them into the voting sphere. Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
The super performance of Nick Clegg did nothing for him in 2010.
h8tax said:
If we get a Red Ed/SNP win then the tories have only themselves to blame - their election campaign seems to have been invisible - Milliband just seems to be getting all the airtime and all the column inches.
Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
I think most agree the Tories are having a sCameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
t campaign.As with many thing the Tories do it makes you question their ability to run the country.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Thursday 23 April 07:15
Welshbeef said:
To be fair the TV debates last election proved that they didn't change the voting outcome. End of the day only maybe 5-10% are ever undecided or trying to pull them into the voting sphere.
The super performance of Nick Clegg did nothing for him in 2010.
Not entirely true. They did increase their share of the vote quite a lot didn't they? Unfortunately the system screwed them a bit and they lost seats?The super performance of Nick Clegg did nothing for him in 2010.
Same thing that's going to happen to UKIP this time!
Welshbeef said:
h8tax said:
If we get a Red Ed/SNP win then the tories have only themselves to blame - their election campaign seems to have been invisible - Milliband just seems to be getting all the airtime and all the column inches.
Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
To be fair the TV debates last election proved that they didn't change the voting outcome. End of the day only maybe 5-10% are ever undecided or trying to pull them into the voting sphere. Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
The super performance of Nick Clegg did nothing for him in 2010.
And even small swings in the key marginals could make an enormous difference to the shape of the next parliament. I just think that the electoral tacticians in the conservative party have got their approach completely wrong, which has allowed Labour and the SNP to control both the agenda and the direction of the campaign.
h8tax said:
If we get a Red Ed/SNP win then the tories have only themselves to blame - their election campaign seems to have been invisible - Milliband just seems to be getting all the airtime and all the column inches.
Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
Apparently young girls are now suffering from Ed mania (similar to the Beattle mania of the 60`s) If that is the criteria, which determines which way they will vote, and we get Millipede as PM, then the UK will be stuffed, and the irony is, that it will fully deserve to be.Cameron has made a big mistake in not debating head to head, 1-2-1, with Milliband. Although Cameron is no Churchill when it comes to debate, lets face it Milliband couldn't win a debate against a dead maggot.
CMD should have done a backroom deal with Farage - whereby CMD goes head to head against Milliband, and then Farage went up against the lib dems and SNP. That would have presented the electorate with a simple left/right coalition choice, but still kept distance between the tories and UKIP.
The conservative election message has just been too diluted by the 'noise' of the various minor left wing parties, helped of course by the generally left/liberal media.
W124 said:
I just perused the Green Party manifesto. Dear God - it's just absolute insanity. I need lie down. I was looking at their view on copyright. They want 'no more than 14 years' - what then, would be the point of coming up with any ideas, of any kind? As a composer, it chills my blood.
It shouldn't.Think about how many works are still making money for their authors after 14 years - and how many of those authors are dependent on 14-year-old royalties. It's not many.
Copyright in the US was originally set at 14 years (extensible once), at a time when works were disseminated far more slowly. It has been extended many times since, always at the behest of wealthy individuals or large corporates. This behaviour is known as rent-seeking, and is generally frowned upon for distorting markets and raising barriers to entry.
Read this, by someone else whose living depends on being paid for his creativity :
http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants....
BGARK said:
Welshbeef said:
Milliband keeps saying all their policies are fully costed by independent experts
I have seriously not understood anything Labour has said, the only numbers seem to go up up to 3, for a 3 point plan, when asked what's in the plan they start talking about the weather or hard working people, maybe they should add Schizophrenia to their list of policies. Who said that!Pan Pan Pan said:
Apparently young girls are now suffering from Ed mania (similar to the Beattle mania of the 60`s) If that is the criteria, which determines which way they will vote, and we get Millipede as PM, then the UK will be stuffed, and the irony is, that it will fully deserve to be.
Looks like astroturfing : http://order-order.com/2015/04/22/labour-pulling-m...
handpaper said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Apparently young girls are now suffering from Ed mania (similar to the Beattle mania of the 60`s) If that is the criteria, which determines which way they will vote, and we get Millipede as PM, then the UK will be stuffed, and the irony is, that it will fully deserve to be.
Looks like astroturfing : http://order-order.com/2015/04/22/labour-pulling-m...
Even the journalists look like they're getting bored with all this now. They said, we said. And repeat. Enthusiasm is visibly waning.
What puzzles me watching media smoothies interviewing folks in the street, must have seen approaching a hundred such now, without exception many appear to be in some sort of denial. Maybe do not understand the appalling negative magnitude of the Nation's current financial status and such things as the Trade Deficit. It's as though such massively negative impacts do not exist, or, if they do, has little effect on them.
A few dips into my Facebook contacts again show these problems are of little concern to many particularly the younger folks. I'm convinced some actually believe those money trees exist!
Not just Public Sector types, many of those express they understand the need for cuts just as long as they do not affect them. Even conservative minded folks who appear unworried just as long as being in the EU means their next new BMW or other European product will not be more expensive. How good is that for our economy. Of course, not just those me, me, me mindset types, I can understand some business folks having concerns should the Nation ever get the chance to vote on In-Out of the EU, it's very unlikely an OUT decision will come about. It's as though many believe the Nation would be incapable of surviving outside the EU. Maybe they're right and we no longer are collectively made of the right stuff. I do not believe that but, that could be the case in reality.
I think social media has and is continuing to have massive influence on how a wide range of folks see or do nit see things.
Even the three main Political Parties do not have these serious aspects high on their list of messages to the electorate.
Whatever the result in two weeks time, I strongly suspect that once again, this Nation will get it wrong. So depressing.
A few dips into my Facebook contacts again show these problems are of little concern to many particularly the younger folks. I'm convinced some actually believe those money trees exist!
Not just Public Sector types, many of those express they understand the need for cuts just as long as they do not affect them. Even conservative minded folks who appear unworried just as long as being in the EU means their next new BMW or other European product will not be more expensive. How good is that for our economy. Of course, not just those me, me, me mindset types, I can understand some business folks having concerns should the Nation ever get the chance to vote on In-Out of the EU, it's very unlikely an OUT decision will come about. It's as though many believe the Nation would be incapable of surviving outside the EU. Maybe they're right and we no longer are collectively made of the right stuff. I do not believe that but, that could be the case in reality.
I think social media has and is continuing to have massive influence on how a wide range of folks see or do nit see things.
Even the three main Political Parties do not have these serious aspects high on their list of messages to the electorate.
Whatever the result in two weeks time, I strongly suspect that once again, this Nation will get it wrong. So depressing.
handpaper said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Apparently young girls are now suffering from Ed mania (similar to the Beattle mania of the 60`s) If that is the criteria, which determines which way they will vote, and we get Millipede as PM, then the UK will be stuffed, and the irony is, that it will fully deserve to be.
Looks like astroturfing : http://order-order.com/2015/04/22/labour-pulling-m...
It doesn't make me want to vote labour
It makes me want to either kill myself or kill everyone else
If young girls are actually swooning over millbrain then quite frankly i don't want to live on this planet any longer
How f
king stupid do you have to be to invent this story?McWigglebum4th said:
What is the point in trying to get us to belive that youngs girls are swooning over milliband?
It doesn't make me want to vote labour
It makes me want to either kill myself or kill everyone else
If young girls are actually swooning over millbrain then quite frankly i don't want to live on this planet any longer
How fking stupid do you have to be to invent this story?
But the truth is, no young girls are swooning over Milliband - labour activists made it all up, it's what activists do best.It doesn't make me want to vote labour
It makes me want to either kill myself or kill everyone else
If young girls are actually swooning over millbrain then quite frankly i don't want to live on this planet any longer
How f
king stupid do you have to be to invent this story?HoHoHo said:
It is if proportional representation is used rather than FPTP.
In 1974 more people voted conservative than labour but labour won the election through the FPTP system.
Have a look at any voting map of the UK and compare blue with any other colour, we are a blue country. Scotland is also a good example with in 1997 with 18% of the vote the conservatives didn't win one seat.
Rubbish. Tory seats in the country have larger land area, that's allIn 1974 more people voted conservative than labour but labour won the election through the FPTP system.
Have a look at any voting map of the UK and compare blue with any other colour, we are a blue country. Scotland is also a good example with in 1997 with 18% of the vote the conservatives didn't win one seat.
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