Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[TheExcession]

steveT350C said:

TheExcession said:

steveT350C said:

Guam said:

Axionknight said:

Marillion are an English band. :S

Well when I spoke to Ian Mosely on Tuesday he was still sporting an English accent lol

You spoke with him Tuesday Guam??

Yeah but yeah but, this fela is far more important.
Shirely?

I like the devil horns

I'm Wond'ring Aloud. Seems to me he already nailed this one years ago!

[steveatesh]

Axionknight said:

The guy is carrying a Scottish flag, it seems you are presuming he is a yes voter, care to tell us why? Can't you be a patriotic Scot whilst being a no voter?

I presumed he is a yes voter because of a combination of the saltire as seen in many many pictures of yes voters and he is wearing what looks like a yes wristband. So I put two and two together and I still believe I made four.


http://www.pinterest.com/yesscotland/yes-scotland-...


Oh, And yes you can.

[Janluke]

Ayahuasca said:

Chim said:

if it all goes wrong there will no one left to blame but those bds who voted the other way

Edited for realism

If it goes wrong it will be because "The English" didnt give them the deal they wanted, or the NO voters didnt get behind the country. You can be sure of one thing it won't be their fault

[DSLiverpool]

This seems to be a bloody big hand grenade that has been decorated in tartan and welcomed by the scots. It's going to blow a huge hole in Scotland whatever happens and things will never be the same again (maybe)

[Catz]

Chim said:

My final words on the referendum. Like most I have now cast my vote and it is a vote for NO. Making this statement does not fill me with joy though and I am not bursting with pride at my choice, this entire exercise in my mind has been futile, derisive and destructive. Friends have parted ways, families have fallen out and hatred and division has been seen on our streets. The lies, half truths and arrogance on both sides of the political divide have far outdone anything ever seen in any UK election to date. What the true picture of Independance means is really anyones guess. There is though one unavoidable truth, that truth is that as a nation we are now torn in two. Regardless of the outcome on Friday morning I will not be celebrating, there will be no champagne corks popping in my house or feelings of triumph. Whoever the "victor" half our great nation will be left feeling bitter and disenfranchised and we face a long long road to recover our unity. My only hope is that we can do this without bloodshed and that the extremists quietly crawl back into their holes. So finally, and to all that take the time to read this, please consider your decision very carefully, think about what it means to you, consider you finances, your jobs, the jobs of those around you, your commitments in life, the services we hold dearly and of course the future of our children. There is no going back from this, whatever choice you have made you will have to live with it for the rest of your life, if it all goes wrong there will no one left to blame but ourselves

I too voted No. Feel pretty crap about it as I'm passionate about Scotland and everything Scottish, plus I helped get the SNP into majority power in the Scottish Government. Being brought up with Winnie Ewing as a major political figure in my youth has determined many of my votes throughout my life. Passing lots of Saltires today proclaiming "yes" hasn't made me feel any better about my vote. I almost feel like a traitor.

However I'm hoping that my vote is actually safeguarding Scotland's future rather than stagnating it. I tried to see the positives in the yes campaign but there just wasn't enough "definites" for me and as proud as I am of Scotland I'd hate to see it fail. My heart almost ruled my head at the polling station but no, and I feel deflated about the whole process.

[Paul Dishman]

Are we calling this yet?

[whoami]

Paul Dishman said:

Are we calling this yet?

A definite, and convincing, No.

[HonestIago]

Catz said:

I too voted No. Feel pretty crap about it as I'm passionate about Scotland and everything Scottish, plus I helped get the SNP into majority power in the Scottish Government. Being brought up with Winnie Ewing as a major political figure in my youth has determined many of my votes throughout my life. Passing lots of Saltires today proclaiming "yes" hasn't made me feel any better about my vote. I almost feel like a traitor.

However I'm hoping that my vote is actually safeguarding Scotland's future rather than stagnating it. I tried to see the positives in the yes campaign but there just wasn't enough "definites" for me and as proud as I am of Scotland I'd hate to see it fail. My heart almost ruled my head at the polling station but no, and I feel deflated about the whole process.

FFS really? Stop buying into the vile Yes propaganda. You've done the right thing!

[Jader1973]

Genuine question.

How do they make sure the people counting the votes don't put some they disagree with in the other pile? E.g a Yes supporter counting a No as a Yes or a spoiled ballot?

Are they double or triple checked?

[Axionknight]

steveatesh said:

I presumed he is a yes voter because of a combination of the saltire as seen in many many pictures of yes voters and he is wearing what looks like a yes wristband. So I put two and two together and I still believe I made four.


http://www.pinterest.com/yesscotland/yes-scotland-...


Oh, And yes you can.

That looks like a pooper scooper, not an ice scraper,

[Efbe]

Catz said:

Chim said:

My final words on the referendum. Like most I have now cast my vote and it is a vote for NO. Making this statement does not fill me with joy though and I am not bursting with pride at my choice, this entire exercise in my mind has been futile, derisive and destructive. Friends have parted ways, families have fallen out and hatred and division has been seen on our streets. The lies, half truths and arrogance on both sides of the political divide have far outdone anything ever seen in any UK election to date. What the true picture of Independance means is really anyones guess. There is though one unavoidable truth, that truth is that as a nation we are now torn in two. Regardless of the outcome on Friday morning I will not be celebrating, there will be no champagne corks popping in my house or feelings of triumph. Whoever the "victor" half our great nation will be left feeling bitter and disenfranchised and we face a long long road to recover our unity. My only hope is that we can do this without bloodshed and that the extremists quietly crawl back into their holes. So finally, and to all that take the time to read this, please consider your decision very carefully, think about what it means to you, consider you finances, your jobs, the jobs of those around you, your commitments in life, the services we hold dearly and of course the future of our children. There is no going back from this, whatever choice you have made you will have to live with it for the rest of your life, if it all goes wrong there will no one left to blame but ourselves

I too voted No. Feel pretty crap about it as I'm passionate about Scotland and everything Scottish, plus I helped get the SNP into majority power in the Scottish Government. Being brought up with Winnie Ewing as a major political figure in my youth has determined many of my votes throughout my life. Passing lots of Saltires today proclaiming "yes" hasn't made me feel any better about my vote. I almost feel like a traitor.

However I'm hoping that my vote is actually safeguarding Scotland's future rather than stagnating it. I tried to see the positives in the yes campaign but there just wasn't enough "definites" for me and as proud as I am of Scotland I'd hate to see it fail. My heart almost ruled my head at the polling station but no, and I feel deflated about the whole process.

Couldn't the government set a 60% pass rate, with a revote after a year if it didn't make it.

[Catz]

Jader1973 said:

Genuine question.

How do they make sure the people counting the votes don't put some they disagree with in the other pile? E.g a Yes supporter counting a No as a Yes or a spoiled ballot?

Are they double or triple checked?

No idea. All pencils to vote so maybe someone is frantically rubbing out votes as I type.

[Norfolkit]

Jader1973 said:

Genuine question.

How do they make sure the people counting the votes don't put some they disagree with in the other pile? E.g a Yes supporter counting a No as a Yes or a spoiled ballot?

Are they double or triple checked?

If it's like a General Election both sides with have observers in the counting halls.

[Ayahuasca]

How was 'Yes' allowed to co-opt the Saltire?

To the extent that if you see someone with a Saltire you assume they are Yessers, and if you as a No-er see a Saltire you feel a bit sad (ref post above)?

[Willy Nilly]

Catz said:

Jader1973 said:

Genuine question.

How do they make sure the people counting the votes don't put some they disagree with in the other pile? E.g a Yes supporter counting a No as a Yes or a spoiled ballot?

Are they double or triple checked?

No idea. All pencils to vote so maybe someone is frantically rubbing out votes as I type.

Pretty sure that there is an international and independent body that oversees elections.

[Catz]

Efbe said:

Catz said:

Chim said:

My final words on the referendum. Like most I have now cast my vote and it is a vote for NO. Making this statement does not fill me with joy though and I am not bursting with pride at my choice, this entire exercise in my mind has been futile, derisive and destructive. Friends have parted ways, families have fallen out and hatred and division has been seen on our streets. The lies, half truths and arrogance on both sides of the political divide have far outdone anything ever seen in any UK election to date. What the true picture of Independance means is really anyones guess. There is though one unavoidable truth, that truth is that as a nation we are now torn in two. Regardless of the outcome on Friday morning I will not be celebrating, there will be no champagne corks popping in my house or feelings of triumph. Whoever the "victor" half our great nation will be left feeling bitter and disenfranchised and we face a long long road to recover our unity. My only hope is that we can do this without bloodshed and that the extremists quietly crawl back into their holes. So finally, and to all that take the time to read this, please consider your decision very carefully, think about what it means to you, consider you finances, your jobs, the jobs of those around you, your commitments in life, the services we hold dearly and of course the future of our children. There is no going back from this, whatever choice you have made you will have to live with it for the rest of your life, if it all goes wrong there will no one left to blame but ourselves

I too voted No. Feel pretty crap about it as I'm passionate about Scotland and everything Scottish, plus I helped get the SNP into majority power in the Scottish Government. Being brought up with Winnie Ewing as a major political figure in my youth has determined many of my votes throughout my life. Passing lots of Saltires today proclaiming "yes" hasn't made me feel any better about my vote. I almost feel like a traitor.

However I'm hoping that my vote is actually safeguarding Scotland's future rather than stagnating it. I tried to see the positives in the yes campaign but there just wasn't enough "definites" for me and as proud as I am of Scotland I'd hate to see it fail. My heart almost ruled my head at the polling station but no, and I feel deflated about the whole process.

Couldn't the government set a 60% pass rate, with a revote after a year if it didn't make it.

No idea what the govt stance is on this. I think it'll be a close vote!

Ayahuasca said:

How was 'Yes' allowed to co-opt the Saltire?

To the extent that if you see someone with a Saltire you assume they are Yessers, and if you as a No-er see a Saltire you feel a bit sad (ref post above)?

No idea, that's just the way it's gone. Anyone displaying a no vote tended to have a Union Jack up.

[L555BAT]

Mark A S said:

Can any wiser man than me tell me why the pound is rising rapidly today?

Market sentiment is leaning towards a No vote.

[Ayahuasca]

Catz said:

o idea, that's just the way it's gone. Anyone displaying a no vote tended to have a Union Jack up.

Unbelievable - made it UK against Scotland whch played into Salmonds hands...

[Cobnapint]

It's 10pm, place your bets. I'll go No, 61/39%.

[TokyoSexwhale]

Paul Dishman said:

Are we calling this yet?

>63% NO