War with Russia

[Art0ir]

Really interesting piece from Vice on the changing War tactics of Russia

https://news.vice.com/articles/russia-is-weaponizi...

[AreOut]

skyrover said:

Not going to grow much longer if this Ukraine business keeps playing out

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economic...

Also... Russia's population is only 140 million, slightly more than Japan with wealth concentrated mostly around Moscow and the West

Edited by skyrover on Friday 2nd May 13:00

I know Soviet Union had ~300 million in total and guessed Russia had to participate with at least 2/3rds but looking at wikipedia now I was obviously wrong

it's still a huge number though dispersed on huge territory and a mix of very different mentalities throughout

also "weakening economy" could just be effect of olympic games, they have spent roughly 50 billions on that show, maybe(just maybe) it will have some long-term positive effects on their economy

[anonymous-user]

Sorry Skyrover but you are very much looking like a propaganda/smear campaigner here.

[skyrover]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

[anonymous-user]

skyrover said:

1. You think Putin's personal life (circa 1980's) is directly relevant to the current Ukraine-Russia-E.U-U.S dynamic.
2. You trust Wikipaedia links (especially after this week's news).
Facepalm is quite apt, yes.

[raftom]

He is not the one swallowing hook, line, and sinker here.

And Wikipedia, as you know, is an encyclopedia, therefore is only a repository of knowledge that has to previously exist elsewhere (otherwise the infamous "citation needed" will be appended to any unsourced statement). It should be treated with caution, as due to the editing abilities an article could be changed or even vandalized quickly (although that is not the case about Putin's article which is semi-protected since the killings on Maidan) but usually a quick glance to the article talk page is enough to filter out any possible bias and, if there is any, to understand from where it comes.

[Hilts]

31 just killed in a fire. I think this is all going to kick-off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27259620

Should I be stocking up on beans and water?

Candles?

[anonymous-user]

So a falsehood can be deemed knowledge until someone notices it, questions it and applies 'citation needed'?

Wiki is a very easily manipulated medium.

[raftom]

Hilts said:

31 just killed in a fire. I think this is all going to kick-off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27259620

Should I be stocking up on beans and water?

Candles?

It seems so. Horrifying events today in Odessa.

[Topbuzz]

raftom said:

Hilts said:

31 just killed in a fire. I think this is all going to kick-off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27259620

Should I be stocking up on beans and water?

Candles?

It seems so. Horrifying events today in Odessa.

Yes yes but Clarkson said something he shouldn't.

[raftom]

And this time the police didn't even disguised whom they're with.

[RedTrident]

raftom said:

Hilts said:

31 just killed in a fire. I think this is all going to kick-off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27259620

Should I be stocking up on beans and water?

Candles?

It seems so. Horrifying events today in Odessa.

So the pro Ukranian supporters attacked, set fire and burned a building with people in it resulting with at least 31 people killed. If the Russians had done this our politicians would have been making statements already.

Think Russian intervention is now inevitable.

[Octoposse]

RedTrident said:

So the pro Ukranian supporters attacked, set fire and burned a building with people in it resulting with at least 31 people killed. If the Russians had done this our politicians would have been making statements already.

Think Russian intervention is now inevitable.

Hopefully not. The terms of a political settlement are clear, although it just got harder.

Russia certainly wants a settlement, which raises the strong suspicion that it is the EU and the US that are encouraging the dragging of heels to 'punish' Putin and make sure there's a price to pay (primarily economic) for Crimea. Which means that the deaths - all the deaths - are unecessary and Ukrainians, whichever language they speak at home, are regarded as expendable on the altar of spanking Russia. Hence Obama at the White House, standing next to Merkel, cheerleading the use of force against pro-Russian protestors.

And push it too far, and the legacy of bitterness makes the future of Ukraine increasingly difficult - it's certainly hard to see Odessa (regarded as a 'Russian city', and a mystic, romantic place by most Russians), ever being the same again.

[Mermaid]

It's pretty much a "civil" war - let them sort it out

[Fittster]

Mermaid said:

It's pretty much a "civil" war - let them sort it out

Like Syrian and Libya?

[AreOut]

Mermaid said:

It's pretty much a "civil" war - let them sort it out

not if west and russia have both their interests there and push them constantly

[powerstroke]

AreOut said:

not if west and russia have both their interests there and push them constantly

Yes this can of worms was opened by the EU egged on by the yanks and usefull idiots

[Fittster]

powerstroke said:

AreOut said:

not if west and russia have both their interests there and push them constantly

Yes this can of worms was opened by the EU egged on by the yanks and usefull idiots

I'm sure the US is just thinking about the people of Ukraine, not just trying to stop Europe getting cheap Russian gas and then helpfully offering to supply us.

[Jimbeaux]

Fittster said:

powerstroke said:

AreOut said:

not if west and russia have both their interests there and push them constantly

Yes this can of worms was opened by the EU egged on by the yanks and usefull idiots

I'm sure the US is just thinking about the people of Ukraine, not just trying to stop Europe getting cheap Russian gas and then helpfully offering to supply us.

We can't get a gas pipeline from Canada to Texas completed for purely political reasons; not sure we can ship gas to you lot any better at the moment.

[Mermaid]

Jimbeaux said:

We can't get a gas pipeline from Canada to Texas completed for purely political reasons; not sure we can ship gas to you lot any better at the moment.

And what if we ever disagree with the US of A? Freedom Fries

BTW, JIm is OK.