War with Russia

[anonymous-user]

So how do you deduce that the vote was meaningless and that it was neither transparent nor constitutional or legal under Ukrainian law?
Have you studied the legal status of the overthrow of Yanukovych, you know, for balance?

[skyrover]

anonymous said:

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Yes it' all been posted several times over in this thread... go have a read if you like.

[raftom]

skyrover said:

Putin's Human Rights Council Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results; Only 15% Voted For Annexation

forbes said:

The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.

The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers)...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/20...

It seems the original Forbes article wasn't entirely correct and the percentage is around 50% (still bellow the published kim-jong-il-grade 97%). Interpretermag does a good analysis:

http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-pol...

Forbes already corrected it too.

Meanwhile the lovely new Crimean prosecutor already warned the Tatars that protests, only in Ukraine. Here you shut up if you know what's good for you.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-crimea-tatars...

And the beatings and disappearance of Tatars have already started. Wasn't Erdogan in need of an international crisis to turn attentions away from the mess at home?

[anonymous-user]

I was just hoping you'd be able to convey your own understanding about it instead of posting link after link.

[skyrover]

anonymous said:

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What's an argument without evidence/substance? No point in speculating without sources...

incidentally... what's your take on it all?

[raftom]

skyrover said:

What's an argument without evidence/substance?

You don't belong on NP&E

[anonymous-user]

skyrover said:

What's an argument without evidence/substance?

I'd call it a post by skyrover.

So far without searching too hard I can think of a handful of spurious links and implications you've made.
The rumour that Putin was a wifebeater.
The allegation of racism in Russia. Well I'll be damned, some Russians are racist!
The posting of alleged voting figures from an article which within minutes has those figures revised upwards greatly nontheless a deliberately suggestive article. Actually one of the main paragraphs still contains the lower figure only.
My take on this is that you don't want to discuss with an open mind, you simply look for links, any links, to support the agenda that you have already decided to follow.

[skyrover]

anonymous said:

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So in other words you are playing devils advocate... you have no opinion, or are afraid to express one other than demeaning the people who are actually investing time into researching current affairs.

Nice one

[skyrover]

Ukraine says 8000 Ukrainians have moved into inland Ukraine from Crimea so far

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114912,15...

NATO's top military commander says alliance will have to consider permanently stationing troops in Eastern Europe - @Reuters

Ukraine's largest aircraft engine company, Motor Sich, has started negotiations with the Polish PZL Swidnik (part of AgustaWestland) to cooperate.

Ukraine wants to create factories in Poland for its army. Polish companies would build helicopters for the Ukrainian army with Ukrainian engines. Modernizations of the Mil-2, Mil-8, Mil-24 and SWS-3 would be made in Poland. Ukraine wants to limit its cooperation with Russia.

http://forsal.pl/artykuly/794868,motor-sicz-pzl-sw...

Edited by skyrover on Wednesday 7th May 08:17

[scherzkeks]

skyrover said:

Indeed, Forbes, that bastion of propaganda and all round government mouthpiece

Right, Forbes clearly has no ties to industry and would never openly represent the interests of oligarchs and corpratists. It is impartial and strives to provide balanced reporting on all subjects.

[kowalski655]

Newsbeat saying that Russia is saying they will be pulling back,as breaking news.
Putin obviously worried no one will vote for Russia in the Eurovision Song Contest

[Mermaid]

kowalski655 said:

Newsbeat saying that Russia is saying they will be pulling back,as breaking news.
Putin obviously worried no one will vote for Russia in the Eurovision Song Contest

[Transmitter Man]

anonymous said:

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He can, but only with a Wolverhampton accent.

Talking of Putin, you just need to look up the many references of journalists that have ended up horizontal in the motherland.

Phil

[egor110]

kowalski655 said:

Newsbeat saying that Russia is saying they will be pulling back,as breaking news.
Putin obviously worried no one will vote for Russia in the Eurovision Song Contest

Two words - blonde twins , they will get votes

[Mermaid]

Mermaid said:

Bond and stock markets think it is all over. Putin blinked, it seems at this stage.

Has Putin just blinked again, this time for real?

[raftom]

Maybe he had just bought a huge load of rubles. The ultimate insider trading. Worry when he dumps them.

Anyway our bare chested hero received today the visit of the Swiss pres and backtracked a little. Seems that the pen might not be mightier then sword but the banks are definitely mightier then the tanks.

Interesting article on FP about the thinking and methods behind the Kremlin behaviour in all this mess:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/05/05/h...

foreignpolicy.com said:

And the Kremlin's "non-linear" sensibility is evident as it manipulates Western media and policy discourse. If in the 20th century the Kremlin could only lobby through Soviet sympathizers on the left, it now uses a contradictory kaleidoscope of messages to build alliances with quite different groups.

European right-nationalists such as Hungary's Jobbik or France's Front National are seduced by the anti-EU message; the far-left are brought in by tales of fighting U.S. hegemony; U.S. religious conservatives are convinced by the Kremlin's stance against homosexuality. The result is an array of voices, all working away at Western audiences from different angles, producing a cumulative echo chamber of Kremlin support.

[smegmore]

Transmitter Man said:

He can, but only with a Wolverhampton accent.

Talking of Putin, you just need to look up the many references of journalists that have ended up horizontal in the motherland.

Phil

Doncaster, man, he was born a Yorkie.

Once a Yorkie, always a Yorkie.

As an old Paddy said to me many years ago 'you can take the man out of the bog, but you can never take the bog out of the man'

[Esseesse]

Russia tests some ICBM's... http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140508/189672546/...

[Art0ir]

raftom said:

Maybe he had just bought a huge load of rubles. The ultimate insider trading. Worry when he dumps them.

Anyway our bare chested hero received today the visit of the Swiss pres and backtracked a little. Seems that the pen might not be mightier then sword but the banks are definitely mightier then the tanks.

Interesting article on FP about the thinking and methods behind the Kremlin behaviour in all this mess:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/05/05/h...

foreignpolicy.com said:

And the Kremlin's "non-linear" sensibility is evident as it manipulates Western media and policy discourse. If in the 20th century the Kremlin could only lobby through Soviet sympathizers on the left, it now uses a contradictory kaleidoscope of messages to build alliances with quite different groups.

European right-nationalists such as Hungary's Jobbik or France's Front National are seduced by the anti-EU message; the far-left are brought in by tales of fighting U.S. hegemony; U.S. religious conservatives are convinced by the Kremlin's stance against homosexuality. The result is an array of voices, all working away at Western audiences from different angles, producing a cumulative echo chamber of Kremlin support.

Good article that!

[raftom]

Esseesse said:

Russia tests some ICBM's... http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140508/189672546/...

Mein Fuhrer I can walk!