Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[technodup]

r11co said:

You only have to look at the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act for an example of how both sides will take a well-intentioned (but in this case seriously bungled) government initiative aimed at moving on from bigotry as an "outrage" and a "slight on personal freedoms" and all the usual rubbish that spouts from the tribal sectarian factions. As this example (and your response) proves, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 22 September 12:28

A classic case of treating the symptoms rather than the cause. Like I said I'm notionally protestant but am not religious in the slightest so think schooling on religious grounds should be something done privately if at at all, and certainly not be sponsored by the state who supposedly wish to eradicate the problem with sectarianism.

I have no doubt the vested interests would cause problems but if it's a problem worth sorting then it's worth tackling imo. You're right in the sense that they're all running scared though, pragmatically they have too much to lose. But for me they can't get all preachy about the manifestations of sectarianism if they won't at least try to address the causes.

[Troubleatmill]

fluffnik said:

I have a real problem with hereditary monarchies, especially if they claim some divine right (and tax breaks!).

Fluff, have you considered your options.

You do have some.

1/ Pick a handful of the many republic countries that you think... "My life is going to be much better here"
2/ Digest, and somehow come to a conclusion... that actually - you were wrong and a Monarchy is a brilliant idea.
3/ Actively get involved in politics and persuade everyone else that "the future is so much brighter over here...here..in a republic setup"
4/ Dig heels in, moan like a b**** , that it really isn't fair, it gets your goal, you really aren't happy about it.
5/ Wait about 60 years and fine that the cultural demographic has changed remarkably, that you will get something you really didn't bargain for.

In 1979 and in 2014, the same percentage of the populous voted the same way.
It will be the same in 30-40 years time.


What I do find astonishing, in a world - and in our country, regions etc - with all the problems we are facing, that the fact that 200 "hangers on" ( if you wish to use the term for Royalty) - are capable of winding folks up so much.
It is ludicrous.
You might not like the idea, granted. But, really?????

Q/ What does the Royal family cost per annum? ( This is tangible. )
Q/ What does the Royal family bring in revenue to UK PLC ( Less tangible ) But even the most die hard royalist would end up conceding that they are a net income bringer.

Much of the attraction of this quaint little island of ours is that - a lot of the world seem to like the Royals. Not just to visit the houses, but do like them.


I am struggling to see the problem here.

[IainT]

Troubleatmill said:

I am struggling to see the problem here.

I can! I can totally see a problem where unearned privilege is conferred through an accident of birth but Monarchy vs Republic is probably a different thread.

It's also not on offer from the SNP...

[r11co]

IainT said:

Monarchy vs Republic is probably a different thread.

Indeed it is.

IainT said:

It's also not on offer from the SNP...

Indeed it is not.

[technodup]

He's not bitter. And he's never leaked anything, to anyone, ever.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

[gofasterrosssco]

technodup said:

He's not bitter. And he's never leaked anything, to anyone, ever.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

He should come complete with paddle, given the amount of sh*t he stirs..

[r11co]

gofasterrosssco said:

He should come complete with paddle, given the amount of sh*t he stirs..

Wah wah BBC. Wail wail Treasury.

Heard it all before. Yeah they had it in for you, or maybe they were just doing their job?

Alex Salmond confirming once again that he is not paranoid and the world really does hate him, not because of the alleged leak but because he is a lying wker.

Gotta love how he tries to present RBS re-registering its business in England as not representative of the issue of business and capital flight.

On the night of the referendum I sat in the pub with a friend who stuck to drinking softies that evening. He holds a high position in the Clydesdale bank and was on call to deal with the major fiscal fall-out of a possible yes result, so for Alex to play the issue down as Treasury scaremongering is 100% bullst.

He looks ill and washed out in that video. Must be all that bile he's storing up.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 23 September 12:31

[AC43]

r11co said:

gofasterrosssco said:

He should come complete with paddle, given the amount of sh*t he stirs..

Wah wah BBC. Wail wail Treasury.

Heard it all before. Yeah they had it in for you, or maybe they were just doing their job?

Alex Salmond confirming once again that he is not paranoid and the world really does hate him, not because of the alleged leak but because he is a lying wker.

Gotta love how he tries to present RBS re-registering its business in England as not representative of the issue of business and capital flight.

On the night of the referendum I sat in the pub with a friend who stuck to drinking softies that evening. He holds a high position in the Clydesdale bank and was on call to deal with the major fiscal fall-out of a possible yes result, so for Alex to play the issue down as Treasury scaremongering is 100% bullst.

He looks ill and washed out in that video. Must be all that bile he's storing up.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 23 September 12:31

All the banks and financial institutions were drawing up plans to do the same thing and Lloyds Banking Group want ahead and did it with the TSB. He's taking through his arse as usual.

I've never come across a political party so utterly consumed by never ending conspiracy theories.

It's the political equivalent of Sunday Sport journalism.

[csd19]

technodup said:

He's not bitter. And he's never leaked anything, to anyone, ever.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

In the Piss and Jobby too, completely non-insular journalism right there (cough)

[r11co]

AC43 said:

All the banks and financial institutions were drawing up plans to do the same thing and Lloyds Banking Group want ahead and did it with the TSB. He's taking through his arse as usual.

I've never come across a political party so utterly consumed by never ending conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theorist indeed, typified by the obsession with the precise timing of the email as if it was in any way significant.

Here's the real deal - both televised leadership debates had taken place where Salmond had fumbled and then fudged the currency issue, and with two weeks having passed since the second debate and the vote closing in the only 'certainty' there was about currency was that there would be no more clarity coming from Salmond.

The financial institutions were faced with the only option of averting panic by making a show of stability and continuity by guaranteeing they would remain within the UK for the foreseeable future in the event of a yes outcome. They all held meetings where the agenda was set and these plans would be announced. The agendas were distributed in advance to significant shareholders (in the case of RBS that would be the Treasury!), and the meetings were not to make a decision as to whether or not to take this measure but to announce the measure, so the RBS 'leak' before the precise end of the meeting was no leak at all, just the removal of an embargo on the announcement timed for around the same time those in the meeting would hear the news.

Furthermore, the email from the Treasury did not break purdah rules as it came from the civil service and not one of the political parties, and it was about the actions of a plc (albeit one with a publicly accountable major shareholder) and not a political body.

Salmond was mighty pissed off because the announcement was highly damaging to his campaign, but he had only himself to blame. The steps taken were due diligence as a consequence of Salmond's bluff-and-bluster causing instability.

Even those within the Yes Campaign have publicly acknowledged that Salmond's handling of the currency issue was at fault, and this video is just typical deflect and denial Salmondry.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 23 September 15:14

[gofasterrosssco]

[///ajd]

csd19 said:

technodup said:

He's not bitter. And he's never leaked anything, to anyone, ever.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

In the Piss and Jobby too, completely non-insular journalism right there (cough)

He even gets some personal digs in about Nick Robinson.

All that noise about "dirty tricks". I think he means FACTS. He skips over the rather glaring FACT that what was reported - that he says was so damaging - was in fact TRUE.

Yes, the TRUTH really screwed your nonsensical liefest and shyte paper Alex.

I can't believe he is actually an MP paid by taxpayers money. What a total fraud. He is an embarrassment to Scotland and the UK. Infact I can't think of anything more embarrassing. Maybe Katie Hopkins. They are about level in their deep deep pit of awfulness.

[r11co]

[AC43]

gofasterrosssco said:

Yeah. And who would exactly would the lender of last resort have to be given the Icelandic level of over-exposure of the Scottish economy to the banking sector?

Er, that would have to be the Bank of England then.......

Glad we got some clarity on THAT then.....

[roadtripboy]

Genuine question for the separatists.

Without wishing to turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of immigration: if the UK is such an awful, backwards country and only a regressive, imperialistic Tory would wish to live there, then why do people from half of Europe and beyond want to live here?

Maybe some of them like living in a country where you can do well for yourself if you are ambitious and work hard, whereas many Scots feel that the route to success is to stay in your hometown and whinge constantly

[Big Rod]

roadtripboy said:

Genuine question for the separatists.

Without wishing to turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of immigration: if the UK is such an awful, backwards country and only a regressive, imperialistic Tory would wish to live there, then why do people from half of Europe and beyond want to live here?

Maybe some of them like living in a country where you can do well for yourself if you are ambitious and work hard, whereas many Scots feel that the route to success is to stay in your hometown and whinge constantly

Exactly the point I was making two years ago to the PM on the project I was on when he said he wanted equal opportunities for all of the people in Scotland as are available to the people in London.

I questioned how he imagined Stornoway or Lerwick might become a financial centre akin to London or conversely, how they might want to build a dockyard or dig a mine in the middle of London to give them the same opportunities as are afforded elsewhere and he got a bit lost.

I'm all for equal opportunities but the they are are only there for those that go to get them and work for them, not those who wait to have them delivered on a plate.

[Troubleatmill]

I'm still waiting for some good news SNP stories....

Here are the councillors of Edinburgh ( today )
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/councillors/specificPa...
Does anyone have a list of councillors and their political affiliations from 2005 onwards?


And here is today's "money well spent story"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

[///ajd]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/s...

fancyw*nks and f*ck-faced jimmmy hill b*stards

LOL

[///ajd]

r11co said:

roll on the revolution.

[r11co]

I see Salmond's propaganda offensive in his constituency's local newspaper is bearing fruit.

This was today's front page story.