What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[Luftgekuhlt]

Farage seems to be very good at upsetting the right people.

[10 Pence Short]

And the Left ones.

[otolith]

The left ones don't like his politics and the right ones don't like the competition.

[10 Pence Short]

otolith said:

The left ones don't like his politics and the right ones don't like the competition.

I am wondering, what are the UKIP policies? Have they produced any current, fully explained and costed policies?

[otolith]

I think they can play the Liberal Democrat / Green joker for some time yet (i.e. say whatever they like and not have to actually implement it). Their effectiveness will be measured by the extent to which they can push their agenda onto the manifestos of other parties.

[FredClogs]

10 Pence Short said:

otolith said:

The left ones don't like his politics and the right ones don't like the competition.

I am wondering, what are the UKIP policies? Have they produced any current, fully explained and costed policies?

Tax rich people less, spend more on the armed forces (they must know somethnig we don't), repeal the smoking ban, repeal the hunting ban, stop immigration by employing the exact same immigration criteria as the current government, make poor people poorer (if you can't be arsed to be rich then I'm afraid they have no sympathy) and I think they want to withdraw our membership of the EU..

[10 Pence Short]

You mean, they don't actually have any proper, thought out and costed policies?

[FredClogs]

10 Pence Short said:

You mean, they don't actually have any proper, thought out and costed policies?

Well you would say that wouldn't you - trying to smear them, you're one of the eurominatti cabal of faceless bureaucrats and you must hate warm beer and pork pies, why don't you go and live in Brussels if you love them so much.

[10 Pence Short]

Guam said:

10 Pence Short said:

You mean, they don't actually have any proper, thought out and costed policies?

So everyone should just vote Labour then.................oh wait

I don't follow you. I can't find any policies from UKIP, therefore I must vote Labour?

Are you suggesting it is wrong for voters to expect policies from political parties who are asking for their vote?

[otolith]

Are there any that actually matter, apart from pushing for a referendum on EU membership?

[10 Pence Short]

FredClogs said:

10 Pence Short said:

You mean, they don't actually have any proper, thought out and costed policies?

Well you would say that wouldn't you - trying to smear them, you're one of the eurominatti cabal of faceless bureaucrats and you must hate warm beer and pork pies, why don't you go and live in Brussels if you love them so much.

I did used to live about 20 minutes outside of Brussels. Fine beer, great food and friendly people. Especially the paedophiles.

[HonestIago]

FredClogs said:

Tax rich people less, spend more on the armed forces (they must know somethnig we don't), repeal the smoking ban, repeal the hunting ban, stop immigration by employing the exact same immigration criteria as the current government, make poor people poorer (if you can't be arsed to be rich then I'm afraid they have no sympathy) and I think they want to withdraw our membership of the EU..

-Taxing the rich less would be beneficial to the nation's coffers as it would reduce tax avoidance
-Making smoking at the discretion of pub/restaurant owners seems perfectly reasonable to any non-fascist
-The hunting ban was nothing but political point-scoring (what are we to do about halal slaughter?)
-Make the poor poorer: Please explain? By scrapping NI, increasing the personal allowance and making it transferable, and reducing green subsidies on energy bills? By cutting welfare dependence and making work pay? By reducing competition in low-skilled labour markets?

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otolith said:

Are there any that actually matter, apart from pushing for a referendum on EU membership?

Erm, nothing much. Just the country's finances, education, policing, health, employment, defence and international relations.

[otolith]

Why, do you imagine that UKIP is going to be forming a government before long?

[10 Pence Short]

otolith said:

Why, do you imagine that UKIP is going to be forming a government before long?

Are you suggesting we should vote for UKIP candidates without them first telling us what they intend to do about domestic issues?

Would you buy a used car without any paperwork?

[AJS-]

10 Pence Short said:

otolith said:

Why, do you imagine that UKIP is going to be forming a government before long?

Are you suggesting we should vote for UKIP candidates without them first telling us what they intend to do about domestic issues?

Would you buy a used car without any paperwork?

And which parties do have these carefully crafted and costed policies that make perfect sense? And have a chance of being implemented?

[otolith]

10 Pence Short said:

Are you suggesting we should vote for UKIP candidates without them first telling us what they intend to do about domestic issues?

Would you buy a used car without any paperwork?

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. If you would like to use your vote to exert political pressure to be given a referendum on the EU, though, it is the only option you have.

[anonymous-user]

FredClogs said:

The problem with democracy is that for every business owner you have 100 hardworking families who provide the labour to enrich the bourgeois. You need to sell the dream to the masses.

Just when HMS Lefty needed a bucket to help bail along comes Comrade Nunn with a pick axe. Nice work fella.

[don4l]

Breadvan72 said:

A lot of the Eurosceptics complain of the EU doing things that they didn't think that it would do when they voted back in the 1970s, but they must have failed to read the documents at the time - all of the free movement stuff was on the cards from the word go.

We were asked about free movement between economically similar countries. That wasn't a problem.

The problem arises when you give free access to very poor countries. We were not told that Iror Curtain countries were going to be joining.

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Guam said:

Now now stop being cute, the point is easy to detect, Labour had published costed policies lol, then they bankrupted the country.

Novel having to spell out something so obvious!

That a party who did have policies either had bad ones or failed to implement them does not logically take you to policies per se being a bad thing.

If I want someone to represent me for 5 years, I would like an opportunity to see what they plan for and would expect to deliver before I give them my vote. Without that, I may well be voting for someone who doesn't represent my views at all. How would I know?