Joyless feminism
Discussion
otolith said:
An interesting article which seems to fit the pattern here;
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/0...
I wonder if the reply should have been,http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/0...
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Moonhawk said:
I do admire the male commentator Marius in his vain attempts to get clarity from the blogger eg, "Usual its simple, but not with feminism it is not. The whole thing that “we are all we want to be and expect you to be all on this long list of stuff and expectations I want”, but if you have it wrong then “screw you you perv or womanizer only have one thing on your mind asshole”, idea is never going to work." 
Moonhawk said:
THe response from the Honky was a good one.It reminds me of this, that I posted earlier this tear.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/20/bill-mahe...
andy-xr said:
I dont know, you'd have to ask her if she's out for a shag.
What you said earlier is 'if she didnt want the attention then....' when she's not gone out explicitly looking for attention. It might be implicit, as in, that's a good photo, makeup en pointe, my good side, I'll use that one. It might be something else.
But by you adding a condition of 'well, if you dont want the attention dont do x' is backwards. It's primal thinking. In feminist speak, it's male entitlement. Maybe there's a train of thought that says 'People can dress or act how they want and not be objectified as to whether that makes them more or less shaggable'
Put another way, some men tend to look at women and decide whether they'd have sex with them. Some men then tell women their decision. At no point has there ever been a hint, a suggestion or other explicit means of communicating with men, from women saying 'if I wear this or do my makeup like this it means I want you to tell me whether or not you'd f
k me'
So please explain to me why women wear makeup?What you said earlier is 'if she didnt want the attention then....' when she's not gone out explicitly looking for attention. It might be implicit, as in, that's a good photo, makeup en pointe, my good side, I'll use that one. It might be something else.
But by you adding a condition of 'well, if you dont want the attention dont do x' is backwards. It's primal thinking. In feminist speak, it's male entitlement. Maybe there's a train of thought that says 'People can dress or act how they want and not be objectified as to whether that makes them more or less shaggable'
Put another way, some men tend to look at women and decide whether they'd have sex with them. Some men then tell women their decision. At no point has there ever been a hint, a suggestion or other explicit means of communicating with men, from women saying 'if I wear this or do my makeup like this it means I want you to tell me whether or not you'd f
k me' 
TeamD said:
hornetrider said:
... And perfume?
Because they're ugly and they smell.
Hehe, but the point still stands, if she is such an up herself femi, then why does she feel the need to wear makeup?Because they're ugly and they smell.
Einion Yrth said:
Because despite all her obvious psychological issues she's not so dumb as not to realise that if she presented herself as the swamp donkey she is without makeup, she'd struggle to get clients.
So you wouldn't instruct a male lawyer who was fat and ugly too? As far as I can see how she has her makeup done has no effect on her ability as a lawyer.
cookie118 said:
Einion Yrth said:
Because despite all her obvious psychological issues she's not so dumb as not to realise that if she presented herself as the swamp donkey she is without makeup, she'd struggle to get clients.
So you wouldn't instruct a male lawyer who was fat and ugly too? As far as I can see how she has her makeup done has no effect on her ability as a lawyer.
As to your other statement, why does she feel the need to wear said makeup? Oh...erm...to make herself look prettier by any chance? Why would a self-confessed man-hater want to do that?
TeamD said:
In response to your question. Possibly not, shallow maybe, but sexist, not.
As to your other statement, why does she feel the need to wear said makeup? Oh...erm...to make herself look prettier by any chance? Why would a self-confessed man-hater want to do that?
because she wants to attract either the 'right sort' of man (ie young, dumb and full of cum who she can dominate and then bAs to your other statement, why does she feel the need to wear said makeup? Oh...erm...to make herself look prettier by any chance? Why would a self-confessed man-hater want to do that?
h about once she tires of them) or she wants to attract women.irocfan said:
because she wants to attract either the 'right sort' of man (ie young, dumb and full of cum who she can dominate and then bh about once she tires of them) or she wants to attract women.
If I actually gave that much of a shyte about it (which on the whole I don't because there are more important things in life that endlessly debating womens issues with men), I suspect it would be fairly easy to put forward a reasonably convincing argument the makeup and dress are a form of fraud utilised by women to gain a pecuniary advantage over men h about once she tires of them) or she wants to attract women.
TeamD said:
In response to your question. Possibly not, shallow maybe, but sexist, not.
As to your other statement, why does she feel the need to wear said makeup? Oh...erm...to make herself look prettier by any chance? Why would a self-confessed man-hater want to do that?
The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.As to your other statement, why does she feel the need to wear said makeup? Oh...erm...to make herself look prettier by any chance? Why would a self-confessed man-hater want to do that?
anonymous said:
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And so people should just accept that as being the right way? Should women just accept the situation you describe above or the experiences below and not say anything?http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fem...
cookie118 said:
The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.
So let me get this right...using makeup gives them a confidence boost because they think they are being judged on their appearance by men thus internalising her victimhood by self fulfilling prophecy? Can people not just face it? Nurture doesn't trump nature TeamD said:
cookie118 said:
The majority of girls I've spoken to usr makeup because it gives them a bit of a confidence boost-its an internal thing, you know sometimes not everything women do about attractiveness etc is for the benefit of men.
So let me get this right...using makeup gives them a confidence boost because they think they are being judged on their appearance by men thus internalising her victimhood by self fulfilling prophecy? Can people not just face it? Nurture doesn't trump nature Nature rules and one of the fundamentals of nature is reproduction. Unconsciously thats what drives a significant amount of our behaviour, both men and women, along with being safe (survival) and sustenance.
IIRC correctly from my university days we were taught about a "ladder of abstraction" in human behaviour and makeup was given as an example - why does a woman wear makeup - to give herself confidence, why, to have a better prospect of winning a mate against her rivals, why, to have sex and reproduce (although I stress this is unconscious, they don't consciously think this when they buy and apply makeup).
of course our society has evolved and now there is a complicated mating game going on with various "rules" attached to it, but the biology is still there. Whether you agree with the ladder of abstraction concept with makeup or not, the fundamentals of biology are ever present and we are not so much in charge of our rational thinking as we like to believe.
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