Benefits of Brexit

[Tuna]

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

[///ajd]

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

I think "wedded" is the wrong word, but you are confirming what I said.

I was not talking about just routine business, I was talking about EU research.

The problem is that whilst UK companies can join now, it is unclear what might happen in 2-3 years - could the UK company still be part of a team as the TRL advances to the next stage and might this put the team at a disadvantage. Its safer for them to do it without the UK company.

This is what I picked up - seems entirely logical and I have no reason to think it was BS.

If course if you now want to dismiss such a company as just an EU junkie wedded to hand outs, go on, but they have been very successful in spinning out start up businesses in new tech in the past.

[powerstroke]

///ajd said:

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

I think "wedded" is the wrong word, but you are confirming what I said.

I was not talking about just routine business, I was talking about EU research.

The problem is that whilst UK companies can join now, it is unclear what might happen in 2-3 years - could the UK company still be part of a team as the TRL advances to the next stage and might this put the team at a disadvantage. Its safer for them to do it without the UK company.

This is what I picked up - seems entirely logical and I have no reason to think it was BS.

If course if you now want to dismiss such a company as just an EU junkie wedded to hand outs, go on, but they have been very successful in spinning out start up businesses in new tech in the past.

You are obviously quite a clever chap , Its so sad to see you wasting your time posting predictions, rubbish and links
to leftwing newspapers , to try and convince others that the sky is going to fall in because we have left a failing political experiment,
Sell some unwanted stuff on Ebay, have a fling or get a project car to fix up instead, You will feel better ...

[princealbert23]

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Its really very revealing.

Burn him! Witch!

As you get older it gets easier to spot the Bertie Bullstter types.
PS l love messiah complex, being so close to Easter.

[jjlynn27]

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

But who needs ONS data when you have 'a lot of our experiences', eh?

[KrissKross]

jjlynn27 said:

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

But who needs ONS data when you have 'a lot of our experiences', eh?

So you are suggesting that graph is Engineering/Tech companies going bust?

[///ajd]

princealbert23 said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Its really very revealing.

Burn him! Witch!

As you get older it gets easier to spot the Bertie Bullstter types.
PS l love messiah complex, being so close to Easter.

But I'm not BSing.

So as you get older, your ability to see plausible fact from BS seems to be waning.

[KrissKross]

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

We have used the EU grant systems, one of my colleagues is a general business consultant and his role has been to find SME's grant funding for all sorts of purposes, from safety training to machinery purchases.

He calculated that from the initial pot of money being made available, only 12% ended up in the hands of the businesses that needed it. The majority was spent on the bureaucrats, consultants etc.

The system is not fit for purpose.

[KrissKross]

///ajd said:

I was talking about EU research.

We did our EU research and voted OUT, now stop whinging and tell us something positive for a change.

[///ajd]

KrissKross said:

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

We have used the EU grant systems, one of my colleagues is a general business consultant and his role has been to find SME's grant funding for all sorts of purposes, from safety training to machinery purchases.

He calculated that from the initial pot of money being made available, only 12% ended up in the hands of the businesses that needed it. The majority was spent on the bureaucrats, consultants etc.

The system is not fit for purpose.

Well perhaps my mates company is better at exploiting it - and they have a great record in launching start ups.

You seem to imply you no longer use the EU system - perhaps your company is not so effective at technology exploitation. I'm not talking about grants for safety training and routine stuff either - I'm talking about actual projects investing in very low TRL R&D to launch new technologies.

As you will know as you "teach R&D", there is a high failure rate at low TRL R&D - that goes with the territory if you understand the reality of R&D in the pre-applied / transition to applied area.

In the past I have run a wide portfolio of R&D activities - none of it EU funded actually - but that doesn't mean I don't see the benefits where others use EU money and more importantly use that to form pan-EU teams with other companies and R&D bodies to push technology.

You reference to "safety courses" and "buying machinery" make me doubt whether you really understand the type of R&D I'm talking about.

[KrissKross]

///ajd said:

You reference to "safety courses" and "buying machinery" make me doubt whether you really understand the type of R&D I'm talking about.

The conversation was in reference to EU GRANTS, not R&D. And was directed to a another poster.

You seem good a picking holes in conversations for no particular reason. Also you reply to almost every persons post in NP&E, why?

[///ajd]

///ajd said:

It is fair to question whether brexit will threaten innovation and research. Much of the multi-nation EU based research involving the UK has at least be put in doubt - and I know people that have said that forming consortia with EU members with UK content has become much more difficult as it is unknown what our position is for the future.

Brexit has already damaged some R&D. You might find examples of new R&D, but because of brexit? Unlikely in my view.

Just saying "the UK has always had great inventors" is a bit hollow. Taken to the extreme you could say the UK govt should just stop all R&D investment as the UK is just ace at R&D by definition. But that would be silly.

This is the original post which led to posters like you (KrissKross) jumping on it saying "no drivel, nonsense".

It is clear I was talking about R&D.

If you're talking about EU grants for "safety training", and have no actual idea about "real" R&D, that doesn't in any way surprise me.

Why do you jump in with both feet to try and rubbish something when you a) clearly haven't properly read the post and b) doesn't seem to understand the topic in the way you thought you did anyway?

Why do you just resort to insults when you realise you've lost the argument/point?

No one wants to read this bickering nonsense.

[crankedup]

Tuna said:

///ajd said:

Interesting that so many think I'd make it up? Why?

Because it runs contrary to a lot of our experiences. I work in the tech/engineering sector and I'm struggling to think of a company I've been working with that has had a significant decline this last year. The company I'm currently involved with it overwhelmed with work and can't hire fast enough. Their clients include companies in the UK and across the continent.

It's true that companies that were wedded to the EU grant system will probably be struggling to adjust, but most of the companies I work with steer clear of that area as it doesn't suit their goals.

I have zero connections with the high tech, sciences and pharmaceutical industries, unlike some posters who seem to have a 'mate' in every industry brought forward in discussions. I do read papers and listen to the National and local news. Living near to Cambridge we hear much regarding the expansion of the industries, but they are struggling to recruit the right calibre of staff. When our Government talks of our border control I believe this to be permitting immigrants of the calibre that is required by key industries that contribute to the prosperity of our Nation.
The Government has already pledged support in financial terms to the industries where it can be shown essential with the Nation profiting obviously.

[///ajd]

crankedup said:

I have zero connections with the high tech, sciences and pharmaceutical industries, unlike some posters who seem to have a 'mate' in every industry brought forward in discussions. I do read papers and listen to the National and local news. Living near to Cambridge we hear much regarding the expansion of the industries, but they are struggling to recruit the right calibre of staff. When our Government talks of our border control I believe this to be permitting immigrants of the calibre that is required by key industries that contribute to the prosperity of our Nation.
The Government has already pledged support in financial terms to the industries where it can be shown essential with the Nation profiting obviously.

It is just one example. A real example. I don't see why you think I should make it up. Does it seem logical? It makes sense to me.

It is worrying that recruitment is an issue - but it is hard to see how brexit will be anything other than negative. Are we a more open and welcoming place after Brexit? What if a qualified specialist wants to come here, but his wife is not working, or not earning over a magic figure? Will she be allowed in? Will that affect the likelihood of the specialist coming here?

It is all very well to talk up "controlling immigration" - but it will have consequences - important ones - for our economy and industry.

Which industries don't contribute to our GDP and National prosperity? You make it sound like only a limited number will be able to allowed to prosper from immigration - why can't they all be allowed to benefit?

[crankedup]

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

I have zero connections with the high tech, sciences and pharmaceutical industries, unlike some posters who seem to have a 'mate' in every industry brought forward in discussions. I do read papers and listen to the National and local news. Living near to Cambridge we hear much regarding the expansion of the industries, but they are struggling to recruit the right calibre of staff. When our Government talks of our border control I believe this to be permitting immigrants of the calibre that is required by key industries that contribute to the prosperity of our Nation.
The Government has already pledged support in financial terms to the industries where it can be shown essential with the Nation profiting obviously.

It is just one example. A real example. I don't see why you think I should make it up. Does it seem logical? It makes sense to me.

It is worrying that recruitment is an issue - but it is hard to see how brexit will be anything other than negative. Are we a more open and welcoming place after Brexit? What if a qualified specialist wants to come here, but his wife is not working, or not earning over a magic figure? Will she be allowed in? Will that affect the likelihood of the specialist coming here?

It is all very well to talk up "controlling immigration" - but it will have consequences - important ones - for our economy and industry.

Which industries don't contribute to our GDP and National prosperity? You make it sound like only a limited number will be able to allowed to prosper from immigration - why can't they all be allowed to benefit?

Was I referring to you making up stories.

When I mention welcoming immigrants of the calibre required, this presupposes that a particular industry is unable to recruit from the current available workforce. In the event that recruitment is tough going and holding back a Company purely on the issue of re ruitment then clearly this will be flagged up and Worldwide recruitment should be sought. Our Government has strongly indicated on numerous occasions that this recruitment will not be hampered by Brexit.
I would imagine,using your example, that a family of a professional person would certainly be permitted into the Country. We will have to offer good advantageous conditions of employment lest we lose talent to other Countries.

[///ajd]

crankedup said:

Was I referring to you making up stories.

When I mention welcoming immigrants of the calibre required, this presupposes that a particular industry is unable to recruit from the current available workforce. In the event that recruitment is tough going and holding back a Company purely on the issue of re ruitment then clearly this will be flagged up and Worldwide recruitment should be sought. Our Government has strongly indicated on numerous occasions that this recruitment will not be hampered by Brexit.
I would imagine,using your example, that a family of a professional person would certainly be permitted into the Country. We will have to offer good advantageous conditions of employment lest we lose talent to other Countries.

I'm not sure why you think I'd make it up? Is this a reflection on some here that do make stuff up - hence they expect it from others? Odd.

You outline some sort of process where govt steps in if recruitment within the UK is not possible. This alone suggests a system that could well strangle our free employment market.

You "imagine" that things will be easy - but that is not what is happening now already is it?

We don't even seem to treat EU Cambridge graduates that are married to UK citizens that well:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/d...

I "imagine" this will only get "worse", post Brexit; it doesn't seem to register yet that we are presenting the country as rather unwelcoming, and the opposite of "open for business".

[powerstroke]

///ajd said:

crankedup said:

Was I referring to you making up stories.

When I mention welcoming immigrants of the calibre required, this presupposes that a particular industry is unable to recruit from the current available workforce. In the event that recruitment is tough going and holding back a Company purely on the issue of re ruitment then clearly this will be flagged up and Worldwide recruitment should be sought. Our Government has strongly indicated on numerous occasions that this recruitment will not be hampered by Brexit.
I would imagine,using your example, that a family of a professional person would certainly be permitted into the Country. We will have to offer good advantageous conditions of employment lest we lose talent to other Countries.

I'm not sure why you think I'd make it up? Is this a reflection on some here that do make stuff up - hence they expect it from others? Odd.

You outline some sort of process where govt steps in if recruitment within the UK is not possible. This alone suggests a system that could well strangle our free employment market.

You "imagine" that things will be easy - but that is not what is happening now already is it?

We don't even seem to treat EU Cambridge graduates that are married to UK citizens that well:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/d...

I "imagine" this will only get "worse", post Brexit; it doesn't seem to register yet that we are presenting the country as rather unwelcoming, and the opposite of "open for business".

Gods sake !!! you don't help your cause , fecking guardian link just says left wing metropolitan tosh to us normal humans..

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

I'm not sure why you think I'd make it up? Is this a reflection on some here that do make stuff up - hence they expect it from others? Odd.

You outline some sort of process where govt steps in if recruitment within the UK is not possible. This alone suggests a system that could well strangle our free employment market.

You "imagine" that things will be easy - but that is not what is happening now already is it?

We don't even seem to treat EU Cambridge graduates that are married to UK citizens that well:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/d...

I "imagine" this will only get "worse", post Brexit; it doesn't seem to register yet that we are presenting the country as rather unwelcoming, and the opposite of "open for business".

For your own sanity change the record slasher.

"The software engineer, from Surrey, said she never once thought she would be deported"

[Murph7355]

KrissKross said:

jjlynn27 said:

But who needs ONS data when you have 'a lot of our experiences', eh?

So you are suggesting that graph is Engineering/Tech companies going bust?

More importantly, does the chart demonstrate causation with the referendum outcome?

[///ajd]

I don't know if you are able to read the article - or whether your prejudice prevents you from even opening the link - but it does give good examples of our "super efficient government immigration department" threatening to deport two individuals who appear to have good jobs and who are contributing to our GDP.

If you don't want to read about the "benefits of brexit" - read elsewhere. You guys put the record on. Discuss it properly, just throwing insults and telling people to shut up suggests weakness and fear.