Junior Doctor's contracts petition

[dmsims]

968 said:

the trust take every opportunity to fleece staff members for the privilege to park on site.

£700 p.a.

[mph1977]

968 said:

The chip on your shoulder increases in size daily. I haven't worked in a trust in the last 10 years that has separate car parks for management or consultant staff. Apart from anything else the trust take every opportunity to fleece staff members for the privilege to park on site.

I believe the Northern General in Sheffield retains a consultant's car park , as does the Royal Hallamshire ...

Mid yorkshire hospitals specifically included a management car park protected by different barriers to the other staff car parks in it;s new build at Pinderfields.

even if they are not labelled as such try finding a none shiny arse with a card for barriered parking near trust HQ in many trusts ...

[968]

mph1977 said:

I believe the Northern General in Sheffield retains a consultant's car park , as does the Royal Hallamshire ...

Mid yorkshire hospitals specifically included a management car park protected by different barriers to the other staff car parks in it;s new build at Pinderfields.

even if they are not labelled as such try finding a none shiny arse with a card for barriered parking near trust HQ in many trusts ...

The chip grows. I'm glad you believe things to be true. However I can tell you my trust, and all the trusts I worked for over the last 10 years did not have such luxuries. Manchester Royal charged consultants £900 a year to park, and quite often they were not even on site, required to take a bus. Currently I pay over £400 a year to park on site, which isn't too bad, apart from the problem of finding no spaces to park in when I arrive so have to park off site anyway, and there being no spaces on the multiple sites I work at during the day.

[andyps]

Not quite the same issue as the JD contract but my local GP surgery has the spaces closest to the door reserved for the doctors with their disabled patients having to park further away. That does show some arrogance from the doctors as far as I'm concerned, and completely out of line with any other private business I know where customers always get the better spaces, particularly disabled ones. Can't comment about hospitals but the two I spent a lot of time visiting recently had staff only car parks but no idea if they were segregated.

[turbobloke]

968 said:

mph1977 said:

I believe the Northern General in Sheffield retains a consultant's car park , as does the Royal Hallamshire ...

Mid yorkshire hospitals specifically included a management car park protected by different barriers to the other staff car parks in it;s new build at Pinderfields.

even if they are not labelled as such try finding a none shiny arse with a card for barriered parking near trust HQ in many trusts ...

The chip grows.

Doubt it but from what's been posted segregation is shrinking in the profession, fortunately.

[968]

andyps said:

Not quite the same issue as the JD contract but my local GP surgery has the spaces closest to the door reserved for the doctors with their disabled patients having to park further away. That does show some arrogance from the doctors as far as I'm concerned, and completely out of line with any other private business I know where customers always get the better spaces, particularly disabled ones. Can't comment about hospitals but the two I spent a lot of time visiting recently had staff only car parks but no idea if they were segregated.

Yes there are staff only car parks because the staff have to park. No, in the main they're not segregated and only have special spaces for emergency vehicles.

[mph1977]

968 said:

The chip grows. I'm glad you believe things to be true. However I can tell you my trust, and all the trusts I worked for over the last 10 years did not have such luxuries. Manchester Royal charged consultants £900 a year to park, and quite often they were not even on site, required to take a bus. Currently I pay over £400 a year to park on site, which isn't too bad, apart from the problem of finding no spaces to park in when I arrive so have to park off site anyway, and there being no spaces on the multiple sites I work at during the day.

so the same as other clinical staff then ...

[968]

mph1977 said:

so the same as other clinical staff then ...

Actually no. There are scales commensurate with salary. Junior doctors and lower band nurses/staff pay less consultants and senior nurses more.

[mph1977]

968 said:

mph1977 said:

so the same as other clinical staff then ...

Actually no. There are scales commensurate with salary. Junior doctors and lower band nurses/staff pay less consultants and senior nurses more.

that's refreshing - last couple of trusts i worked for everyone paid the same , although fortunately due to location the pressue re to chargehigh wasn;t too bad and it was in the realms of 10 -12 gbp / month

[hidetheelephants]

A month ago I said.

hidetheelephants said:

The problem is that neither party appears willing to move; why ACAS aren't all over this is perplexing.

Prognostication skillz! No doubt they'll find something else to disagree about.

[anonymous-user]

It's over, harrah!!!!! (well, maybe)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36325045

[bazza white]

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

[numtumfutunch]

bazza white said:

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the money

Interesting

[Jonesy23]

bazza white said:

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

Quick scan suggests most of it seems to be tweaks to rates for weekend & on-call working i.e. money. Overall increase in pay down from what was proposed, and extra for those doing lots of funny hours for whatever reason.

Plus some noise around leave and training to pad out the money related bits.

[turbobloke]

numtumfutunch said:

bazza white said:

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the money

Interesting

That's another way of saying that the BMA settled for a duff deal for their members - unless other details of the new contract conspensate in some way...

Jonesy23 said:

...extra for those doing lots of funny hours for whatever reason.

Plus some noise around leave and training to pad out the money related bits.

...like that in effect, but it hardly sounds like the 'coup' GPs got from Labour. Then again, that was because Labour were clueless rather than any negotiation skills or rapier industrial action of GP representatives.

Hopefully the more activist BMA bigwigs will leave one way or another.

[voyds9]

968 said:

The chip grows. I'm glad you believe things to be true. However I can tell you my trust, and all the trusts I worked for over the last 10 years did not have such luxuries. Manchester Royal charged consultants £900 a year to park, and quite often they were not even on site, required to take a bus. Currently I pay over £400 a year to park on site, which isn't too bad, apart from the problem of finding no spaces to park in when I arrive so have to park off site anyway, and there being no spaces on the multiple sites I work at during the day.

I'm sure a lot of your customers and their family would be delighted to pay £3.50 per day to park.

[greygoose]

turbobloke said:

numtumfutunch said:

bazza white said:

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the money

Interesting

That's another way of saying that the BMA settled for a duff deal for their members - unless other details of the new contract conspensate in some way...

Or alternatively the junior doctors aren't the money-grabbing, government overthrowers that you thought, but you have never admitted to being wrong about anything?

[turbobloke]

greygoose said:

turbobloke said:

numtumfutunch said:

bazza white said:

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the money

Interesting

That's another way of saying that the BMA settled for a duff deal for their members - unless other details of the new contract conspensate in some way...

Or alternatively the junior doctors aren't the money-grabbing, government overthrowers that you thought...

I didn't think that. I thought that the BMA were overplaying their hand, and it looks as though they were. My post made no comment on JDs.

greygoose said:

...but you have never admitted to being wrong about anything?

Ask Mrs TB.

You're wrong about my position as claimed above, which you made up. It's back in the thread, it's been quoted by others, it won't go away.

Do you make stuff up about just anything?

[greygoose]

turbobloke said:

greygoose said:

turbobloke said:

numtumfutunch said:

bazza white said:

Be interesting to see the changes in the contract.

Less basic pay than the original deal and less loading for working a night shift suggests it was never about the money

Interesting

That's another way of saying that the BMA settled for a duff deal for their members - unless other details of the new contract conspensate in some way...

Or alternatively the junior doctors aren't the money-grabbing, government overthrowers that you thought...

I didn't think that. I thought that the BMA were overplaying their hand, and it looks as though they were. My post made no comment on JDs.

greygoose said:

...but you have never admitted to being wrong about anything?

Ask Mrs TB.

You're wrong about my view above, which you made up. It's back in the thread, it's been quoted by others, it won't go away.

Do you make stuff up about just anything?

I would welcome the opportunity to say I made it up but I can't recall you ever admitting being wrong, please show me from your extensive library.

[Jockman]

BMA were getting cold feet about the escalation in strike action proposed.

They were ripe for a deal. They need to sell it to their members now.